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good afternoon from Philadelphia Frank

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here with another episode of UFO news

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network Sunday we are ready to go with a

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fabulous show so let me bring in my

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co-host chant Hannah to introduce the

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panel for today

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hello Chet hello Frank we have a

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wonderful panel today we have Phoenix

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MUFON team with us we have a Jim Mann

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director of Phoenix MUFON Stacey Wright

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who is the assistant director of Phoenix

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MUFON we have Shane hurt who is a MUFON

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field investigator in Acts chapter he's

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a podcaster with rogue planet TV a soon

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to be published author of UAP what is it

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a beginner's guide to studying UFOs and

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a general sci-fi geek we also have with

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us

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Christine Walt has been an Arizona field

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investigator for four plus years we also

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have let's see I believe it's Mary Ann

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now let me go ahead and get that

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information here she's been with us

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Phoenix move on for four years and with

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MUFON for five years and we also have

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another person that I'm going to bring

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on with us her name is Rosa Robles I

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believe is her name and thank you very

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much everybody for coming on I'm having

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a little bit of technical difficulty we

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appreciate your coming on the show

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that's today how are you thank you doing

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great fantastic we want to know just a

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little bit about your team by the way if

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you don't mind I wanted to give a little

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bit better introduction regarding

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Phoenix MUFON can you please tell us a

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little bit of history regarding Phoenix

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MUFON and some of the folks that we have

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on with us today and we've got quite a

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great group if I do say so myself

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we have 15 field investigators right now

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and they work together as just a crack

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team that takes on all kinds of things

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that happen throughout this state we

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actually get about 300 cases a year so

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they're very busy people and we really

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just respect the heck out of them

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because they're very well guided by our

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teeth and

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together Jennifer Aramis and he's a

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master at what he does

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lot of fun doing it

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do you think that you can have Marian

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come on and say hello to us please hi

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Jen Frank how are you today

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don't you nice talking to you today

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Oh fantastic how are you good now I'll

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be bringing on Rosa

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Robles I believe is her name she should

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be coming on in a moment I did want to

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while we're bringing her on however go

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ahead and start off with a really very

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serious topic that's greatly important

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to all of us and that is that President

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Trump was asked by Tucker Carlson about

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the UFO topic and he gave a very

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interesting answer does anybody want to

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chime in on that topic I think I think

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the president gave the answer he was

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qualified to give and I'm sure he knows

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more than what he told Tucker okay but

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again these these things that's

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happening with the the event and on the

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Nimitz and the USS Nimitz that's got to

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be somewhat classified and so I think

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that politically any leader would have

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to move forward very carefully on this

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there's a lot of visibility with Tucker

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Carlson he's viewed by millions and a

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lot of us here in the UFO community

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certainly we were waiting to see exactly

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what he would say and I think he said

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pretty much what we thought he would say

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I think it's kind of a pipe dream if we

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think the President of the United States

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regardless of who it is is just going to

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come right out and admit that this

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phenomena has been going on for years

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and that we've had and that the

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government has had visibility of this

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phenomena and that there

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hiding it or whatever so I think we just

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got to take what President Trump said

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for face value and then he just didn't

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really want to talk about it at that

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point because per probably or perhaps he

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wasn't quite filled in I I don't know

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but there was there certainly was a

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reason why he held back and I don't

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think that we should disrespect that I

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think that disclosure is coming about

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very quickly very rapidly we're seeing

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new people at our Phoenix MUFON meetings

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because of all of this and so I'm

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looking forward to some you know some

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really cool things happening in the next

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few months yeah the president sent some

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very nice things about the pilots that

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he really believes I'm he didn't he was

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a little skeptical in general but said

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nice things about the witnesses so

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that's got to be viewed as a positive

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absolutely and I agreed with that

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wholeheartedly he didn't deny anything

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he didn't back down he didn't make it

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sound silly by any fashion and he

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supported the our pilots he's our top

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gun pilots when you when you know when

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Europe but you're a commander of an f-18

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Hornet and you're up there and you

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you've got a squad that you're training

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and something like this happens yeah

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you're you know you're flying a

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multi-million dollar aircraft and you're

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one of you're one of the frontlines of

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American military defense and so this is

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no nonsense going on here and I think

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that the quick little imp little

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interview with the Tucker Carlson was

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about what fantastic I also wanted to

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actually ask Stacey Wright and Mary Ann

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Robb about this topic how do you all

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feel about President Trump having been

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asked by Tucker Carlson about the UFO

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topic

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what are your insights on that he only

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can say what he can

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they he he does spill a lot of beans and

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a lot of non subject I think they have

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to be pretty guarded you know and I

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think he just simply does not want to

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talk about it so he basically said

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though it's the second time in a few

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weeks that he was asked because he did

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an interview with George Stephanopoulos

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a few weeks before that and basically

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the same thing although he was seemed a

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little friendlier to the question when

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it came from Stephanopoulos and that he

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told George that he would be the first

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to know if he finds out anything more

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and Karl Suze you know let's face it

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kind of a media friend of the president

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didn't seem to get as good an answer as

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Stephanopoulos did wonder if anybody had

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any thoughts on that yeah I was thinking

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maybe this is Shane here you know that

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things are heating up on the topic in it

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it's becoming more sensitive as we see

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more disclosure coming and it has to be

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in a measured and controlled way so I

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had that same thought Frank were he it

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he was a little tight more tight lipped

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with with Tucker whom I would expect the

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opposite you know yes as you mentioned

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yeah I have that because there that

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interview came about the night of the

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final episode of the unidentified char

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which were going to be talking about a

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good bit more and I think a lot of folks

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were kind of excited there was sort of a

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false a little rumor floating around

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they was gonna really spill the beans

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and talk about a lot more as it turned

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out that didn't happen but we all

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watched anyway because even the most

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obscure mention by a president about the

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UFO stuff I mean we're all gonna be all

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over it so it really didn't matter we

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were gonna watch anyway but I did think

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the whole exchange is really interesting

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yeah I think that's meaningful right

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anytime the president you know make a

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comment you do have to listen to that so

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I appreciated it yeah go political so

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fast and regardless of who's in the

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White House when something of this

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impact it's you know hits the general

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public it's gonna be politicized very

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quickly I have seen a great boy you just

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know it is yes and when you're president

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Trump regardless of who likes him who

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doesn't like him he's in a position

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where he's got he's walking on eggshells

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when it comes to what's going on with

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UFO and classified information agreed a

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hundred percent and I would like the

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opportunity to ask Marianne rabe also a

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Christine wolf and investigator field

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investigator Rosa Robles who's on with

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us today regarding this topic how do you

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feel about President Trump having been

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asked about the UFO topic twice now by

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two different interviewers this is this

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is Chris here I think that he he came

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across really well and in an unusual

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fashion for him anyway and I you know

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he's only allowed to stay so much and

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and there's only so much that everybody

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knows anyway so I think he's open to it

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and I think he's just going to have to

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we're all just gonna have to wait to see

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just what happens so I grab wonderful

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and Marian are you there yes go ahead

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I'll be honest I did not hear after the

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last episode of just under unidentified

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I did not hear the interview with

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President Trump and Tucker Carlson I

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heard a little bit about it but I was I

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didn't hear the actual interview that

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was going on but with Jim Stacy

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Christine and chained everything that

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they said 100 percent is I think there's

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gonna be disclosures coming the

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television show identified really helped

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that out tremendously people are coming

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forward

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however Trump can't just come out and

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say oh yeah this is all going on every

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president has been asked the same

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question

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about the UFO phenomenon and have we

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been visited and Trump I think did a

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great job answering what he could but

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there's no way he's going to be able to

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answer that question just right out in

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the open and I'm the same way I you know

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it's great he believed in and agreed

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with the pilots I think it's awesome

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that the pilots that came forward in

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this show disclosures gonna come slowly

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and I think President Trump again did a

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great job in what he could say thank you

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very much for that insight and Rosa and

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by the way I'll be asking another

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question right after this Frank I just

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wanted to remind you of that well so for

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you before you change subjects because I

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can't follow up yeah okay that sounds

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good I'll be sure to touch base with you

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on that

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roasted do you mind just telling us a

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little bit about yourself and also

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touching on this topic well my name is

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Rosa Robles I'm a relatively new

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investigator and very very excited to be

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on board one of my mentors there is

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Marianna you be with her I unfortunately

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didn't get to see the interview with

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with Trump I usually catch every

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everything he says and at this time I

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didn't catch that but I do agree with

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her there's there's not much that they

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can say and I believe that there isn't

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that much that they know or can divulge

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so but then again I like I said I'm glad

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to be on on board thank you thank you so

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much yeah Jim you would mention this

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issue getting political very quickly and

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on one hand I agree with you but on the

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other hand I'm having a tough time

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imagining how that is going to happen I

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don't see any political candidates

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jumping into this apparently Andrew yang

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on the Democrat side has been briefed of

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when he was in Nevada he is apparently

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one of the candidates who's been briefed

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on the issue and knows a little bit more

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about it maybe then there's some others

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but I can't see the candidates jumping

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in on this really quick is it going to

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take that is it going to

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just more questions from the press what

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do you think it's gonna take to get this

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this issue discussed a little bit more

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openly well you guys know anybody unless

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you've been living under a rock you know

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that whether you like President Trump or

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not he has probably been under the gun

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more than any president in my lifetime

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and I'm 66 years old I've never seen a

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president hammered so badly by the press

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as this president and that we've seen a

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lot I've seen a lot of administration's

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come and go if President Trump gets out

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there and starts talking about UFOs oh

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my god that's going to create a

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firestorm for him and he knows it along

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with everything else now Senator Harry

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Reid is being very verbal about all this

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and good for him okay

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we need more senators to talk about it

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if you guys remember back whew oh yeah I

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think it was the governor of New Mexico

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who wanted to bring up the issue of UFOs

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because he hid Roswell right there in

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stone state they they just about

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crucified that man on TV and so he

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backed out of the election and so these

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are very very touchy subjects for the

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leader of this country start talking

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about UFOs because there's a lot at

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stake here number one this phenomena has

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been going on 60 or 70 years and there's

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accountability okay so if Trump comes

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right out and starts talking about UFOs

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the accountability is right behind it of

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why all the secrecy what about all these

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people that were lied to

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what about this what about that so this

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could go political extremely fast and

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I'm quite frankly I'm surprised it

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hasn't already

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simply because Tucker even asked him

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that question thankfully there were a

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lot of other issues that were more

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visible to the general public in and the

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news media that they just kind of just

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skirted right on past the whole UFO

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thing so

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yeah you know these are crazy times

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we're living in all we all know that so

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yeah for disclosure to come about this

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is a this is a really good first step if

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you want to call it a first step but

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this is disclosure I mean this is

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probably about as good as it's gonna get

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when our naval forces in our naval

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people are top gun pilots are coming

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forward talking talking about it it's

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it's it's the question is poised is it

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to the to the President of the United

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States on national TV

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this is disclosure folks I mean I it's

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again what's gonna be but it's going to

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be like a year from now I have no idea

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and what is it going to mean anything

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for the 2020 elections I imagine it will

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have some some impact I don't know how

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much but that's what I'm that's what I'm

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guessing at this point also points go

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ahead Chris you know all this stuff has

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been eking out you know the Navy stuff

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and all that that has been on and I'm

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wondering submit to me when I see here

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just stuff coming on and and what's

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going on and I'm thinking this is a big

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deal this is a you know this is really

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gonna make a difference to the world and

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I'm wondering I'm looking around like am

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i that I just hear that I might the only

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one that you does like me

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myself because I'm thinking it's a big

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deal and it means something but it's

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like the world's really doesn't seem to

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be paying a lot of attention

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hahaha yeah you're right about that

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you're right about that

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go ahead well I was just that's just

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what I was gonna say you know it's just

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that I'm finding it kind of fascinating

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either the world has gotten kind of

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accustomed to this and we're making a

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bigger deal out of this and it really is

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in regards to what would happen if it

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was disclosed you know I don't know I

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just find it kind of

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right that's one of my observations yes

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that actually happened regarding the

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apathy or the level of

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non-responsiveness regarding the topic

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we're talking about here when on

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December 16th 2017 Gloria gluing Aras

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and black money and that article came

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out and by Helen Cooper ralph Blumenthal

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and Leslie Kane came out on a Saturday

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and Frank you and I have talked many

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times about how there was a real lack of

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response to this a mind-blowing article

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about disclosure regarding Pentagon UFO

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run program for about five years maybe

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slightly more anybody want to chime in

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on that topic

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yeah I'll jump in now you know what I

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think is happening okay yeah finish yeah

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I'll finish my point that what I think

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is happening is that there are a lot of

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there are only so many folks out there

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who are wildly into UFOs like we are

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excuse me

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so that's a pretty limited audience but

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what I think there is is a lot of people

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who may be having it we're sort of open

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to it

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I think there's a big chunk of the

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population that is open to it and

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interested in hearing more but honestly

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these little drips and drops that we

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hear here and there a question gets

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asked of Trump in one interview then

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another question in another that's not

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the kind of thing that's going to get

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the entire country or the entire world's

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attention it'll take a little bit more

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than that but there are a lot of people

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who are very open to the subject but

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they literally don't even realize what's

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going on with all this heightened

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attention that the UFO stuff has gotten

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over the last well year and a half plus

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almost two years now right now

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Trump apparently was briefed regarding

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the UFO topic I don't know why this is

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so surprising however because I happen

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to agree with a few of our panelists

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that I think that just about every

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president within the last the last 60 or

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70 years

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has been briefed on this topic because

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anything that's potentially in our skies

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traversing our skies would be considered

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a possible threat so it just makes sense

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to me that any president would be

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briefed on this topic are there any

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thoughts that anybody wants to share on

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this topic yeah you know yeah you know

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just imagine the responsibility that

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goes along with this we discover that

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there's a technology out there that's

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wildly admit that anything that we have

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in the skies and here we have

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confirmation all of the sudden we sue we

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have confirmation and if the

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confirmation is coming from our navel

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Department and how do we handle that in

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a responsible manner because this

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technology represents forms of energy

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that we have no idea how it works and

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what is that how does that going to

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impact the fossil fuel industry are they

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you know all these all the different

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streets and all them all the economy of

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the world rotates on the oil industry

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basically that in the semiconductor

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industry but all of all of the sudden

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we've got this technology that's way in

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advance of that so what is the

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responsible thing to do when we bring it

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forward to the general public and we

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start announcing this you know I'm not

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saying that panic is going to happen but

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a new form of energy that would put

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fossil fuels out of business is also

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going to put billions and billions of

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dollars out of business and and and you

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know millions of people so there's a

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responsible way to do this and I I mean

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I'm not the person making the decisions

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and I'm glad I'm not but I think Nick

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Pope edit Club disclosure with a small D

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and little steps at a time and I think

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that we're already seeing in the time

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that I've been in MUFON in 12 years you

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see more programs on TV now we see we

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see bigger numbers at the conferences

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you

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more conferences and so yeah this

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closures coming and it's with a small D

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but it we have to get into the

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consciousness of the general public I

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don't think we're going to get a big

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announcement coming out of the White

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House okay and going on along the same

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topic I brought up just a few minutes

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before Shane my question to you is can

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you tell me why nobody seems to care in

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the general public as much as we would

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hope they would regarding things like

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glowing hours and black money that

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article by Leslie Kane and the two other

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authors of it and then the fact that

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Trump has been involved in this topic a

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few times with two different

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interviewers oh I guess maybe our hopes

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too high the UFO community what what's

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going on there yeah I think you know

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along with what Jim was saying is you

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know disclosure has to happen in a in a

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careful way now you think of it from the

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perspective of government there's a

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wonderful political science paper

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written by two gentlemen by name of

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Duval and went called UFOs and

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sovereignty and they looked at the

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perspective of if there were you know

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another more powerful force that

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presented itself that it would be in

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fact a threat to every nation on earth

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because the forms of government on this

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earth our nation's they're separate

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separate borders they have local issues

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and they depend on those things to stay

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in power and again if some of the things

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like Jim mentioned were to come to

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fruition with with the advancement of

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these others you know a global energy

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maybe would impact you know global

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religion and it would have an effect on

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global government and so you know it's a

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hypersensitive vision I think this is

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where it can go political because it is

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in fact a threat to national sovereignty

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however the general public you know

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probably do not see it from that point

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of view and I think the reason we see I

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don't think

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it's apathy I think it's a fact is is

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that we we still are guided by what

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happens in our daily lives so let's just

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take the example of school shootings you

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know when those things first happened I

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mean it was as shocking as could be our

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whole nation was you know reacting to

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that and but then over the years where

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there's you know 100 200 of these a year

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you know they they get in the new cycle

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we feel bad you know for a week or two

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but then you know the reality for each

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of us is that you know we have to go to

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work we have to pay our bills we have to

546
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:06,580
take the kids to school we have to pay

547
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:08,110
our mortgage those are the thing that

548
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:11,320
dominates the life of an individual and

549
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,250
so and yes there's a lot of interest out

550
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:16,960
there and I'll just throw in I don't

551
00:26:20,249 --> 00:26:18,070
know if you want to talk about it more

552
00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:20,259
later but this whole issue of the hey

553
00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:27,580
let's storm area 51 yeah I'll just say

554
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:29,620
at this point you know the law of

555
00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:32,110
unintended consequences is ever-present

556
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:35,320
right and so just imagine you know

557
00:26:40,619 --> 00:26:38,230
something of that nature but politically

558
00:26:42,899 --> 00:26:40,629
oriented springing out of nowhere and

559
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:42,909
talking about the president's reaction

560
00:26:47,399 --> 00:26:45,129
our nation's reaction you just never

561
00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:47,409
know I mean this is a you know it's a

562
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:49,659
delicate thing that has to be handled in

563
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:51,970
a delicate way and even if it is there's

564
00:26:56,009 --> 00:26:53,500
going to be things that no one

565
00:26:58,169 --> 00:26:56,019
anticipated so you know this is it's

566
00:27:00,360 --> 00:26:58,179
fragile disclosure is fragile but

567
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:00,370
there's no doubt about it's happening

568
00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:02,769
we're in the throes of it and I think in

569
00:27:07,409 --> 00:27:05,080
general it's a good thing but people

570
00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:07,419
just need to recognize the ones that are

571
00:27:13,259 --> 00:27:09,700
controlling disclosure are the ones that

572
00:27:15,450 --> 00:27:13,269
are most at threat from it so they're

573
00:27:17,789 --> 00:27:15,460
gonna do it their way in their timeline

574
00:27:19,950 --> 00:27:17,799
to mitigate all those things Jim talked

575
00:27:22,649 --> 00:27:19,960
about like responsibility for the last

576
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:22,659
70 years etc well well saying that the

577
00:27:26,399 --> 00:27:24,250
reason for all this the reason why

578
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:26,409
disclosure is such a delicate thing is

579
00:27:32,249 --> 00:27:29,289
because et themselves are maintaining

580
00:27:34,139 --> 00:27:32,259
this kind of ambiguous profile out there

581
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:34,149
where you know now you see us now you

582
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:36,120
don't maybe we're here maybe we're not

583
00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:38,500
though there are a lot of people who can

584
00:27:43,779 --> 00:27:41,059
credibly say look there

585
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:43,789
UFOs are not et this is this is

586
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,590
silliness and they can do it because

587
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:47,120
they can because they can get away with

588
00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:50,270
it because there is no unambiguous et

589
00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:54,740
presence yeah absolutely and really that

590
00:27:59,980 --> 00:27:57,230
is the actual question you should all be

591
00:28:02,620 --> 00:27:59,990
asking but it's too scary and it's too

592
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,630
soon to contemplate that right so first

593
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:04,940
we've got to establish you know the what

594
00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:06,890
the when and the where and that's easy

595
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:09,320
that comes with data right that's that's

596
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:11,210
where we're at right now but that's

597
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:13,130
gonna lead to once we get a handle on

598
00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:15,350
that then it's gonna lead to who and

599
00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:18,260
then ultimately why and those are the

600
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:19,909
most frightening things and the most

601
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:23,240
delicate things uh you know I've heard

602
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:25,190
people say and I'm gonna be asking other

603
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:26,900
folks in our panel have not had the

604
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:28,730
opportunity to really talk very much

605
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:32,470
about this interesting topic and that is

606
00:28:39,399 --> 00:28:35,450
I've heard a lot of folks in the UFO

607
00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:39,409
community argue over this topic is that

608
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,740
being that people are afraid for the

609
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:45,200
government to disclose anything about

610
00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:48,169
the UFO topic and then there's the camp

611
00:28:52,210 --> 00:28:49,669
that says I'm not a baby

612
00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:52,220
if the government can handle disclosure

613
00:28:58,210 --> 00:28:54,980
I can to if the government knows about

614
00:29:01,149 --> 00:28:58,220
the UFO meeting really the et topic and

615
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:01,159
they have information on it well they're

616
00:29:07,270 --> 00:29:04,490
humans just like I am so I can - what

617
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:07,280
are your thoughts on that Mary Ann Stacy

618
00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:13,490
Rosa Robles and Chris get this Mary Ann

619
00:29:21,070 --> 00:29:17,299
my thing on the disclosure the black

620
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:21,080
money and you know people you're saying

621
00:29:26,409 --> 00:29:24,470
that people are not listening they're

622
00:29:28,899 --> 00:29:26,419
not getting upset or they're there

623
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:28,909
they're not voicing their opinions my

624
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:33,530
thought on that is that the citizens the

625
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:36,530
people go hey we already knew we knew

626
00:29:41,159 --> 00:29:38,600
you were doing probably something with

627
00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:41,169
the UFO community we knew that you were

628
00:29:50,139 --> 00:29:46,190
putting up all this money for programs

629
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:50,149
to to look at the UFOs this black money

630
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:52,610
it's right we already knew that you were

631
00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:54,620
probably already doing that

632
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:56,990
hey we're just happy you're finally

633
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,140
coming out and telling us disclosing

634
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:02,240
that yes we did have programs where

635
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:06,050
we're using black money and we were

636
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,620
testing different technologies and I

637
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:12,320
just think people are like well it's

638
00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:14,210
about time you came out we know you

639
00:30:17,890 --> 00:30:16,309
probably were already doing it and thank

640
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:17,900
you for finally coming out and telling

641
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:20,870
us I don't think there can be an uproar

642
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:22,870
I'm just thinking that they're really

643
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:26,240
that leak me as a citizen also is that

644
00:30:32,650 --> 00:30:28,400
finally you're coming out and telling us

645
00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:32,660
yes you are doing these programs that's

646
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:37,940
just my thought on that yeah and then

647
00:30:44,049 --> 00:30:40,010
this is Stacey so you know there's also

648
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,059
been watching the show unidentified

649
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:47,120
there was a Brian bender from Politico

650
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:48,770
the journalists there has reported a lot

651
00:30:55,030 --> 00:30:50,570
of really cool stuff along with George

652
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:55,040
Knapp and the it all leads up to that

653
00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:56,870
there is a problem internally that

654
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:00,740
there's blinders within the government a

655
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,590
lot of resistance they said you know

656
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,360
within the Pentagon from a lot of senior

657
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,000
people there who are very Christian they

658
00:31:12,190 --> 00:31:09,679
thought that looking into this type of

659
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,200
stuff was voodoo and it was dangerous

660
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:13,760
and they didn't want anyone looking into

661
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:14,300
it

662
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:17,920
and Lou Elizondo was also told to stop

663
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:21,679
because it was a demonic presence so

664
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:23,390
that's a really big deal when you know

665
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:25,010
that it's coming from the state houses

666
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:27,890
that way and George Knapp also

667
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:29,480
corroborated you know that it's

668
00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:31,070
considered the paranormal and the

669
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:36,200
supernatural it's a huge stigma UFOs

670
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:38,510
they all think is inviting Satan into

671
00:31:43,299 --> 00:31:41,030
your life so when you've got that kind

672
00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:43,309
of pressure coming from some of these

673
00:31:51,070 --> 00:31:47,230
real bigwigs there how do you fight that

674
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:51,080
you know that that's a big deal that is

675
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,390
a big deal that's a very important point

676
00:32:00,040 --> 00:31:56,240
to think you Stacy and Mary Ann for your

677
00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:00,050
I think a lot of that came from the head

678
00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:02,990
of the program before Elizondo and that

679
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:04,580
was a gentleman named doctor

680
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:06,230
Akatsuki who was running the program

681
00:32:11,649 --> 00:32:09,260
before him and his interest in the

682
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,659
skinwalker ranch phenomenon I think

683
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:13,120
that's largely where a lot of that

684
00:32:17,649 --> 00:32:15,470
pushback came from that there were some

685
00:32:19,419 --> 00:32:17,659
folks who really didn't like that idea

686
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:19,429
in particular I'm not sure I'm not

687
00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:21,710
assured that the UFO thing in general is

688
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:24,380
viewed quite the same way I've not heard

689
00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:27,289
that but yeah we'll see how that plays

690
00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:29,720
out as it goes along would you like to

691
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,100
go ahead and start asking folks about

692
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:34,399
the unidentified series yeah what did

693
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:36,110
that what did we all think about that

694
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:40,610
six shows and I have to admit it's a

695
00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:42,250
pretty high bar for me to be satisfied

696
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,470
with a UFO program and I gotta tell you

697
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:47,360
I think that this one exceeded my

698
00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:49,070
expectations by quite a bit

699
00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:50,929
what did everyone else think of the show

700
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:53,870
this is Chris I thought it was really I

701
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,510
think it's great I love the way they did

702
00:33:03,210 --> 00:32:58,880
that the way they approach the whole

703
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:03,220
thing I mean it's all I mean I totally

704
00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:07,330
believe that these guys it's real I mean

705
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:09,380
and they're going about it you're

706
00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:11,990
presenting it it's such a professional

707
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:15,500
fashion I just um unlike anything I've

708
00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:17,210
ever seen

709
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:21,260
real or fake regarding you know the

710
00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:25,220
subject so I just think it's it's really

711
00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:26,840
good I encouraging a lot of people to

712
00:33:32,590 --> 00:33:27,860
watch it at work

713
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:32,600
whoever yeah and you know they're kind

714
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:33,950
of just new to the subject they don't

715
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:35,750
think about it very much and stuff so

716
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:38,049
I've got a turn down a lot of people

717
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:41,960
where I work - uh booking and they've

718
00:33:46,509 --> 00:33:43,580
really enjoyed it and even have been

719
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:46,519
recording it and stuff so I I've got

720
00:33:52,509 --> 00:33:49,700
more people in the in the pocket I guess

721
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:52,519
and hopefully they'll spread - so that

722
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:53,720
was that so it was a good recruiting

723
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:00,080
tool for you yeah this would be the one

724
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,380
that I think it's the number one in

725
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,840
regards to this the subject I mean at

726
00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:08,000
this point in our in where it's at with

727
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:09,740
this disclosure coming down and all that

728
00:34:13,629 --> 00:34:12,290
so thank you so much Chris I wanted to

729
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:13,639
mention something kind of important

730
00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:15,770
about this series just for our listeners

731
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:17,240
and

732
00:34:22,329 --> 00:34:19,970
the first episode came out on may 31st

733
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,339
this year it was called the UFO insiders

734
00:34:27,789 --> 00:34:25,280
the second one was raining UFO another

735
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:27,799
the pattern revealed the UFO fleet was

736
00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:29,869
the next one the fifth one was the

737
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,579
atomic connection and the last one was

738
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:33,919
the revelation there's been six episodes

739
00:34:38,319 --> 00:34:36,440
so far would anybody else like to tell

740
00:34:42,339 --> 00:34:38,329
us how they feel about this unidentified

741
00:34:50,339 --> 00:34:42,349
series their review of it Jeff this is

742
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,349
Mary over 31 years here in Arizona and

743
00:34:57,849 --> 00:34:53,119
continuing and one of the biggest things

744
00:34:59,890 --> 00:34:57,859
that I look at is during an interview

745
00:35:05,470 --> 00:34:59,900
interrogation or anything like that is

746
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:05,480
body language speech and eyes movement

747
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:07,730
everything when it comes to somebody

748
00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:09,710
telling me a story or telling me what

749
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:11,869
happened to them in police work well

750
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:15,950
when I started watching this this

751
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,140
program unidentified that's one thing I

752
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:20,720
looked at all the pilots when they did

753
00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:23,630
their interviews from the radar Tech's -

754
00:35:28,089 --> 00:35:25,160
one of the biggest things that I thought

755
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,099
was amazing are the fishermen down in

756
00:35:34,539 --> 00:35:31,280
Mexico everyone that has ever been

757
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:34,549
interviewed through the whole program I

758
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:38,079
have never seen any type of deceptive

759
00:35:46,089 --> 00:35:42,730
body language eye movement I the speech

760
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:46,099
was just amazing and I was really

761
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:48,950
looking for okay if somebody just kind

762
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:51,650
of blowing smoke to us who's making up

763
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:56,180
stories and I never saw any of that in

764
00:36:02,440 --> 00:35:59,740
any of the witnesses that Lou Elizondo

765
00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:02,450
interviewed it was amazing and that's

766
00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:04,280
one of the biggest things and what was

767
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:06,380
cool is that I heard that pretty much

768
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:10,910
every episode was done on one take so

769
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:14,720
they don't have time to tell people what

770
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:17,089
to say how to say it and do two or three

771
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:21,170
different takes they did one tape and it

772
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:23,270
was amazing you could tell that they

773
00:36:28,299 --> 00:36:25,369
were not being deceptive

774
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:28,309
these were true stories from all of the

775
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:31,510
witnesses that were involved

776
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:34,630
thank you very much Marianne for that

777
00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:37,250
would anybody else like to chime in like

778
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,950
Rosa for one and then perhaps we could

779
00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:42,800
hear from Stacy and everybody else on

780
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,940
this all I can say is that finally Lord

781
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:49,280
finally I think that these people feel

782
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:51,290
like they can come out and speak because

783
00:36:53,350 --> 00:36:52,310
I don't believe that they'll be as

784
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,360
ostracized

785
00:37:00,520 --> 00:36:56,000
now that we're talking about it more

786
00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:00,530
than back in the 40s and 50s and 60s so

787
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:01,940
I'm thinking they're feeling a little

788
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:04,130
bit safer to be able to come forward and

789
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:07,910
be the whistleblowers and I'm sure that

790
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:09,380
may be behind the scenes there's a

791
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:12,170
little bit of the slapping of the wrist

792
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:16,400
but oh I could say that I believe

793
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:20,870
they're just feeling like there's more

794
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:23,120
there's just more and the data is is

795
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:26,660
just out there how can they but thanks

796
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:29,270
anyway that's fantastic thank you and

797
00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:30,890
Shane how do you feel about the

798
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:34,190
unidentified series yeah I thought it

799
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:38,720
was very well done that it was it had an

800
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,710
air of credibility about it and as far

801
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:45,200
as hitting their target goal of of

802
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:47,690
course educating the general public

803
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:50,840
easing them into the topic they were

804
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:55,610
also trying to reach Congress and to

805
00:38:00,340 --> 00:37:58,490
work within the political boundaries to

806
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:00,350
make this a topic that they would look

807
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:02,450
at and consider and I'm sure the

808
00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:05,810
ultimate goal is to you know generate

809
00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:07,670
some kind of interest in funding

810
00:38:12,850 --> 00:38:10,280
programs for further study and that sort

811
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:12,860
of thing so I think on both those levels

812
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:16,190
they they hit a home run with it and I

813
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:19,970
really appreciated some of the cast and

814
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:22,310
the individuals associated with t TSA so

815
00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:25,550
like Chris Mellon I just love that guy I

816
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:28,790
find him very credible I like listening

817
00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:30,530
to his voice

818
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,080
Steve justice was another he didn't

819
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,880
really appear much until maybe like the

820
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:36,980
fourth episode but when he did you know

821
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:39,050
I've made some notes about that and I

822
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:40,580
looked back at my notes and I said

823
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,050
that's one serious dude

824
00:38:47,330 --> 00:38:45,060
you know the the way he comes off and

825
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,340
you know that guy knows stuff but he's

826
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:50,400
very professional in the way he carries

827
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:52,020
himself out and then the whole thought

828
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:54,750
process they they were very careful to

829
00:39:00,440 --> 00:38:57,480
limit they didn't completely eliminate

830
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,450
but limit you know speculation and you

831
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:03,000
have to speculate to some degree so I

832
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:04,410
thought they stayed within the

833
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:06,870
boundaries on that and that helped you

834
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:09,690
know maintain that credibility so you

835
00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:11,460
know I thought this was different than

836
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:13,590
any other UFO show that's ever been on

837
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:17,010
like I think it came at the right time

838
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:20,370
at the right place they left the wild

839
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:23,610
speculation to us which was great we can

840
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,150
do that now yeah I'm Stacey how do you

841
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:29,160
feel about this show do you feel it's

842
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:30,750
different than any other show and what

843
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:33,350
is your review of the unidentified I

844
00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:37,290
love it love it love it I think that

845
00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:38,790
it's the best thing that's ever been on

846
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:41,190
that's the most legitimate cast of

847
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:42,660
characters that they could ever have

848
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:46,020
gathered up and I'm with Shane there

849
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:48,990
Chris Mellon is you watch that guy and

850
00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:50,910
it's like that is pure professionalism

851
00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:54,120
right there and Lou is doing a great job

852
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,100
of interviewing he's finding the facts

853
00:40:01,760 --> 00:39:58,740
out he you can just tell the guy is

854
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:01,770
totally serious on this I'm Steve

855
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:04,110
justice is completely professional it's

856
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:07,530
just a real great cast of characters for

857
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:09,450
getting done what they need to get done

858
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:12,210
and they're diggin and they're doing the

859
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:15,090
the hard work and there they are the

860
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:16,980
boots on the ground on this thing and

861
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:18,510
they're just doing a great job so I'm

862
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:21,510
loving it yeah so you guys had MUFON

863
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:23,550
Phoenix said Jim and Stacey have brought

864
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:25,650
in a lot of guests and have gotten some

865
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:27,450
scoops he had George Knapp out there in

866
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:29,370
the early part of the year and he

867
00:40:33,110 --> 00:40:31,230
brought a little bit of news that they

868
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:33,120
was able to share for the first time

869
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:34,770
with you guys why don't you talk about

870
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:36,510
that talk about the guests that you

871
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:38,550
bring out and tell us if you've heard

872
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:41,370
any behind the scenes stuff on where all

873
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:45,180
this is going to go down the road well I

874
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:50,840
don't I don't this stuff is so new that

875
00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:56,040
I nothing has really been addressed from

876
00:40:59,580 --> 00:40:56,950
the platform

877
00:41:00,930 --> 00:40:59,590
that much yet but here's an amazing

878
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:00,940
thing you might want to think about

879
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:04,570
we've always assumed that our ETA our ET

880
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:06,490
and our UFO people are from outer space

881
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:13,390
right but unidentified if you they're

882
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:14,710
all coming up out of the ocean

883
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:18,240
okay so mo so perhaps our

884
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:20,040
extraterrestrials they're not quite so

885
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:22,270
extraterrestrial maybe they're more Co

886
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:25,210
indigenous to our planet here and may

887
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:26,830
bar maybe they're existing under the

888
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:29,110
oceans I don't know but it certainly

889
00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:33,250
leaves us with a kind of a a cool

890
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,120
question is maybe we're looking at us

891
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:39,280
owes you know unidentified submerged

892
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:42,070
objects coming up out of so maybe

893
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:44,050
they're not from Zeta Reticuli maybe

894
00:41:51,810 --> 00:41:47,050
they're from the Marianas Trench or

895
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:51,820
something right yeah yeah I think you're

896
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:53,500
absolutely right thank you so much for

897
00:41:59,460 --> 00:41:55,450
bringing up that important point is that

898
00:42:02,850 --> 00:41:59,470
these et civilizations may have actually

899
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:02,860
been here all along or they are visiting

900
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:07,210
from other areas from an unknown

901
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:10,770
universe's galaxies and they're us

902
00:42:16,290 --> 00:42:13,780
residing under the water it's really a

903
00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:16,300
very fascinating topic that is covered

904
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:18,820
extensively in ufology thank goodness I

905
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:20,710
wanted to ask everybody about the

906
00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:23,830
Italian a UFO Frank can you bring up

907
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:26,680
that topic yeah there was a case over in

908
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:28,120
Italy a number of years back that

909
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:30,700
involved they talked about it during the

910
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,340
sixth episode where there were some

911
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:36,640
fires going on which may or don't seem

912
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:38,290
to be connected to the UFOs but they

913
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:39,880
were going on at about the same time as

914
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:41,950
the UFO and there was a mishap with a

915
00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:43,960
helicopter so he talked about that case

916
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:46,180
when they'd gone over to Italy that the

917
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:49,120
Italians presented them with this case

918
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:51,790
as if that's one of their hotter cases

919
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:54,460
there's been a little bit of pushback on

920
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:56,080
that that may be the case isn't quite so

921
00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:59,290
hot but that did come out and that was

922
00:43:03,390 --> 00:43:01,540
that was a new case that that we hadn't

923
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,400
heard too much about here in the States

924
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:05,680
so that was kind of interesting it was

925
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:07,720
interesting that they were going over to

926
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:09,250
Italy and trying to get some

927
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,060
international

928
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:12,640
cooperation on this issue so that was a

929
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:14,830
very interesting segment of the show

930
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:17,050
that degree and I think it was episode I

931
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:18,760
think was the last episode of the very

932
00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:21,940
last episode where they did that did

933
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,060
anybody watch that last episode I yeah

934
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:30,880
this is Chris yeah I watched it and I

935
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:32,290
thought it was you know pretty

936
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,570
interesting and I got it kind of got a

937
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:36,910
kick out of the the Italian trying to

938
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:37,720
bargain with

939
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:43,060
whoo well we had heard through the back

940
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,820
channels before the show came on that

941
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:47,680
they were they had that planned this

942
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:49,270
kind of European swing where they were

943
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:50,470
looking to get some other countries

944
00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:52,570
involved but the Italians were the only

945
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,860
one who sort of went for their deal

946
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:56,200
which was basically tell us what you

947
00:44:00,060 --> 00:43:57,880
know but we can't tell you any of our

948
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,070
classified stuff which is all we know so

949
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:02,560
that's I know that was kind of played

950
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:04,270
out on that we we've gotten some word

951
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:05,890
back-channel and that was kind of played

952
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:07,990
out on the show itself so it was kind of

953
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:10,210
interesting yeah I got kicked out of the

954
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:13,390
way Lulu's reaction when they said that

955
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:21,580
was kind of fun turn over some

956
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:24,520
information about the case and also they

957
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:26,440
turned over quite a database apparently

958
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:27,850
of everything that they had going back

959
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:29,890
to and I was either the very early

960
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:32,710
1900's of the late 1800s of literally

961
00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:34,510
everything that they had database that

962
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:36,100
was a that was a pretty nice gift and

963
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:37,420
Shane you were talking a little earlier

964
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:41,560
about data data is great but the the

965
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:43,240
government that collects the best of it

966
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:45,370
no we don't have access to any of it how

967
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:47,260
are we going to figure out exactly how

968
00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:49,900
frequent that these kind of legitimate

969
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:52,360
et cases are without that without the

970
00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:53,980
data and I don't think we're gonna get

971
00:45:00,600 --> 00:44:58,420
any of it at anytime soon yeah that's

972
00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:00,610
that's obviously the concern I mean even

973
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:05,020
with you know little D disclosure we're

974
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,210
you know we're as the public are only

975
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:09,280
gonna be privy to so much I think Jen

976
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:10,930
you had mentioned earlier that there

977
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:13,210
certainly has to be top-secret element

978
00:45:18,570 --> 00:45:16,570
to even the the Nimitz case and any of

979
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:18,580
those that are going on there's there's

980
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:20,920
got to be data that has not made known

981
00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:23,740
so yeah we do have to take

982
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:25,720
in a consideration that we we only know

983
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,090
part of the story we may only know part

984
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:30,640
of this story and you know we'll just

985
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,610
have to you know work with what we got

986
00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:35,440
we we have another guest on the line by

987
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:36,460
the way who's barking in the background

988
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:42,750
who is that what that's Levi Levi husky

989
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,780
hello I'm gonna go banish him right now

990
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:47,760
[Laughter]

991
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:53,230
okay great I'll so uh would you don't

992
00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:54,730
mind Frank I wanted to bring up an

993
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,230
interesting topic we brought up on

994
00:46:00,930 --> 00:45:58,720
another show and that is that Rick Doty

995
00:46:02,609 --> 00:46:00,940
Richard Doty was actually brought up on

996
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:02,619
the unidentified series can you please

997
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:06,270
let us know in what manner he was uh

998
00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:08,260
yeah basically

999
00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:10,300
Elizondo seems to take a little bit of

1000
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:11,950
umbrage that he had been compared with

1001
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:15,280
Dodi and made quite the point that he's

1002
00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:17,410
not Rick Doty and they didn't go out and

1003
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,420
try to interview Rick Doty they grabbed

1004
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:22,000
a couple of scenes from movie called

1005
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:24,790
Mirage man which was a documentary where

1006
00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:26,830
Dodi has talked a little bit in the past

1007
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:30,520
about his deeds and we've had we

1008
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,840
discussed this at length when we had

1009
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:34,720
Alejandro Wanda and KarenT talking about

1010
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:37,390
the UFO Congress we had them on and

1011
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:39,010
talked a little bit about it he went

1012
00:46:43,590 --> 00:46:40,810
into some Alejandra went into some

1013
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:43,600
detail about Dodi he is not a popular

1014
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:46,450
guy in some UFO circles yet in others it

1015
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:48,850
seems like everything that he has to say

1016
00:46:54,359 --> 00:46:51,970
no matter how fictional it likely is

1017
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:54,369
that they just take his word as gospel

1018
00:46:59,250 --> 00:46:57,730
and the Shan I know from my past

1019
00:47:03,660 --> 00:46:59,260
conversations you're not a big fan of

1020
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:03,670
the guy yeah no I'm not really but you

1021
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:08,950
know it's so hard this whole ufology in

1022
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:11,590
general we're always just scrambling for

1023
00:47:16,859 --> 00:47:13,930
any kind of credibility right as a as a

1024
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:16,869
group and and you know as an individual

1025
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:18,730
I'm sure none of us like to be deceived

1026
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:21,130
this just you know not right not cool

1027
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,030
and you know he made a not only a career

1028
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:27,280
of it as you know in a Fosse guy which

1029
00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:29,350
okay it's your job you know you can do

1030
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:32,109
you know you're you know you're

1031
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:34,900
authorized to deceive basically but

1032
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:36,490
there's limits to that you know there's

1033
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:38,050
still you know

1034
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:39,940
a sense of responsibility as an

1035
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:42,460
individual human being and and I just um

1036
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:44,650
you know I look back at that case and

1037
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:47,500
and this is the Paul bennewitz case and

1038
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:49,420
what happened to that man as a result of

1039
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:51,730
their basically toying with him and his

1040
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:54,610
mind and and in everything that you know

1041
00:47:59,970 --> 00:47:57,490
that's just reprehensible and I just you

1042
00:48:02,610 --> 00:47:59,980
know the man has been been an enemy of

1043
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:02,620
ufology from the beginning and having

1044
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:05,740
him you know come about with open arms

1045
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:07,870
and you know welcoming it I mean you

1046
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:11,440
know dancing with the devil in some

1047
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:13,410
circles as a whistleblower in a hero

1048
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,250
yeah I don't get that

1049
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,640
ya know I I'm not a big fan and I could

1050
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:21,280
see why Lou really you know shuddered at

1051
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:22,780
the thought of being compared to him

1052
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:25,150
because you know I don't care who you

1053
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:27,130
are in whatever field whatever that you

1054
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:28,510
can still have a measure of personal

1055
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:32,500
integrity and and you know I I just I

1056
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:35,380
don't see it in that that I thought it

1057
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:37,600
was a real surprise I was glad to see it

1058
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:39,430
were you surprised when they went there

1059
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:42,130
I mean I was yeah yeah I I was very

1060
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:43,630
surprised and I don't know if that was

1061
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:46,450
because of the ascendancy of Dodi and in

1062
00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:48,340
the UFO community I wouldn't think they

1063
00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:50,950
would care but if if there were people

1064
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:52,840
out there making that comparison and

1065
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,250
that was really an attack on the

1066
00:48:59,610 --> 00:48:57,040
credibility of T TSA and I think it's

1067
00:49:01,710 --> 00:48:59,620
right that they did address it so you

1068
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:01,720
know it was kind of left field but if

1069
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,390
that's what the the intent was then yeah

1070
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:05,920
I think they needed to do it and they

1071
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:10,090
did yeah just one last point about Dodi

1072
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:12,310
there was one other fellow who took some

1073
00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:15,490
serious umbrage with being compared with

1074
00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:17,980
Dodi that I noticed and that would not

1075
00:49:22,050 --> 00:49:19,600
quite as high-profile he didn't do it on

1076
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:22,060
a national TV show he did it on Grant

1077
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:24,010
Cameron's Facebook page but died that

1078
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,450
was Ron Pandolfi pretty interesting that

1079
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:29,920
drew him out of the woodwork to make a

1080
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:31,570
comment and he didn't like that

1081
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:35,920
comparison one bit Jim man brought up

1082
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:38,890
some really fascinating points that were

1083
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:40,870
very valid regarding pilots coming

1084
00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:43,030
forward there was a female pilot that

1085
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:44,950
came forward would anybody like to touch

1086
00:49:57,509 --> 00:49:53,549
yeah I want to see more of her you know

1087
00:49:59,880 --> 00:49:57,519
I mean yeah varying information and she

1088
00:50:02,519 --> 00:49:59,890
was there right from the beginning and I

1089
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:02,529
just have a feeling she's got a lot more

1090
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:04,660
to say and I hope that they bring her

1091
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,470
out a little bit more she's truly hiding

1092
00:50:13,289 --> 00:50:10,839
right now but I'm just hoping that maybe

1093
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:13,299
if we have another season coming up with

1094
00:50:18,029 --> 00:50:15,249
this that we get to see and hear more

1095
00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:18,039
from her because she was right there and

1096
00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:21,220
she's got some real another angle on

1097
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,230
this and it's almost an emotional angle

1098
00:50:27,989 --> 00:50:26,319
on what she was feeling I mean she talks

1099
00:50:30,059 --> 00:50:27,999
about how she can see that it was gonna

1100
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:30,069
be a tragedy happening right in front of

1101
00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:32,170
her eyes perhaps and you know there's

1102
00:50:36,089 --> 00:50:33,700
just kind of a different angle coming

1103
00:50:37,710 --> 00:50:36,099
from her so I'd really like to hear more

1104
00:50:41,099 --> 00:50:37,720
from her I hope they bring her on again

1105
00:50:43,019 --> 00:50:41,109
the next season I was really surprised

1106
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:43,029
we saw as much of her as we did I did

1107
00:50:46,769 --> 00:50:44,920
not see that coming at all and that was

1108
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:46,779
quite a coup for them that was very

1109
00:50:50,759 --> 00:50:48,249
surprised because the word had always

1110
00:50:53,339 --> 00:50:50,769
been look she was pretty shook up by the

1111
00:50:55,529 --> 00:50:53,349
whole incident I'm teen years ago and

1112
00:50:58,229 --> 00:50:55,539
she is never going to come forward and

1113
00:51:00,450 --> 00:50:58,239
she did she did a lot more than I ever

1114
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:00,460
thought she would so I was very pleased

1115
00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:03,249
to see that that was one of the things

1116
00:51:07,710 --> 00:51:04,839
about the show that really jumped out at

1117
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:07,720
me I've noticed in the UFO community

1118
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:10,569
when people come forward with personal

1119
00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:13,630
testimony to share sometimes they're

1120
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:16,420
hailed as heroes and other times the

1121
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:21,900
exact exact opposite of that why is that

1122
00:51:31,289 --> 00:51:27,700
all I think Jim I think that the lady

1123
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:31,299
the the female pilot you know we don't

1124
00:51:38,759 --> 00:51:34,900
know what what what life is like for a

1125
00:51:42,749 --> 00:51:38,769
female pilot she's uh this is a new role

1126
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:42,759
for for females to be top gun pilots and

1127
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,130
she's living in a used to be

1128
00:51:50,789 --> 00:51:47,920
male-dominated world and she's breaking

1129
00:51:54,509 --> 00:51:50,799
down boundaries just by piloting that

1130
00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:54,519
f-18 and she's up there she's doing her

1131
00:52:00,210 --> 00:51:56,440
job she's just as good as anybody else

1132
00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:00,220
in the air but she's a little more

1133
00:52:02,810 --> 00:52:00,990
reserved

1134
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:02,820
that's and I'm thinking that well

1135
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:05,310
perhaps you know what kind of ridicule

1136
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,300
did commander David flavor get when he

1137
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,000
came down he didn't get any ridicule but

1138
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,420
he came back and landed on the ship but

1139
00:52:20,420 --> 00:52:17,280
we don't know about this gal you know

1140
00:52:23,090 --> 00:52:20,430
she's she's she's just kind of laying

1141
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:23,100
back and kind of keeping quiet and

1142
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:25,110
keeping her identity quiet of course you

1143
00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:26,430
know all the guys from the staff they

1144
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:30,200
know she is that's no that's no secret

1145
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:32,460
but I don't know what kind of world she

1146
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:34,410
lives in and she's living you know she's

1147
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:37,790
serving in the United States or the

1148
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:41,310
Naval Air Force as a woman is a Top Gun

1149
00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:44,310
pilot so I think she's doing the right

1150
00:52:49,070 --> 00:52:47,190
thing by keeping like you know staying

1151
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,080
in the back a little bit and tell she

1152
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:51,240
really feels and sees what's going on

1153
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,550
here and I think about with the Phoenix

1154
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:55,680
lights okay

1155
00:53:00,590 --> 00:52:58,170
Lynne Keith hi who everybody knows is

1156
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:00,600
the big spokeswoman for the Phoenix

1157
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:01,950
lights

1158
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,010
she laid back for a long time as dr. X

1159
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:07,680
and she didn't reveal her true identity

1160
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:12,150
tell she was fully confident that she

1161
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:13,950
could move forward and open herself up

1162
00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:16,410
and let the general public know who she

1163
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:18,869
was so maybe this gals gonna do the same

1164
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:20,730
thing maybe this pilot it's gonna do the

1165
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:22,830
same thing until she sees how this is

1166
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:27,060
all received yeah she still I think in

1167
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:30,330
the service and she is in the the

1168
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:32,700
teaching profession now so I don't know

1169
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,430
if she has to wait until after she gets

1170
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:37,440
out to come forward a little bit more

1171
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:38,550
maybe she'll be a little bit more

1172
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:40,140
comfortable or maybe it's just gonna

1173
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:42,090
stay status quo but like I say I was

1174
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:44,130
very surprised and very pleased to see

1175
00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:47,070
she did what she did so there's that

1176
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:49,320
yeah I think you're right I think he's

1177
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:52,800
still active duty right now and now

1178
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:54,810
there was one active duty pilot who

1179
00:53:58,310 --> 00:53:56,430
talked a little bit about the East Coast

1180
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,320
case and that was quite a surprise

1181
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,900
seeing somebody that was Danny a coin

1182
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:02,940
and that came up I think in Episode four

1183
00:54:08,810 --> 00:54:06,119
and he came forward and the Ryan graves

1184
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:08,820
as well he's no longer active duty but

1185
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:10,410
he came forward as well and talked a

1186
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,630
little bit about that case and that that

1187
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:14,400
seems like it might we don't have

1188
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:16,260
quite as many details as we did with the

1189
00:54:20,299 --> 00:54:18,569
Nimitz case and those are the only two

1190
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:20,309
that I know of come forward at this

1191
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,950
point but obviously we'd like to see

1192
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:24,960
more and there are some other cases too

1193
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:29,460
we'd like to know more about Chris it

1194
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,220
seems to me that um these folks are

1195
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:34,140
there they are getting a little more

1196
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:37,079
well its strength in numbers I guess

1197
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,760
what I'm thinking that they're these

1198
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:41,520
guys are are being trailblazers and

1199
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:45,720
coming forward and everybody else is

1200
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:47,099
looking around well I've got something

1201
00:54:53,660 --> 00:54:50,700
to tell but uh you know oh is it safe is

1202
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:53,670
the water safe to go in and so I think

1203
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:55,770
they're waiting to see me maybe I

1204
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,000
suspect that maybe these guys before

1205
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,720
they all jump in yeah well we had four

1206
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:06,420
Nimitz witnesses on a few weeks back we

1207
00:55:15,529 --> 00:55:12,119
had Kevin day Jason Voorhees Jason

1208
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,539
Turner I Gary Voorhees and PJ Hughes and

1209
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:17,640
yeah I've got got horror movies on the

1210
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:18,900
mind sorry about that

1211
00:55:23,269 --> 00:55:20,910
now Gary Voorhees and Jason Turner and

1212
00:55:26,029 --> 00:55:23,279
we had them on and it was all good as

1213
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:26,039
far as they were concerned it was it's

1214
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:27,420
been a very good experience for them

1215
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,920
coming forward talking about what they

1216
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,200
know Frank I'm really glad you brought

1217
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:33,240
them up I'll tell you why because the

1218
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:35,970
question I'd like to ask at our panel to

1219
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:39,510
chime in on and as when we had them on

1220
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,380
our show those folks actually said when

1221
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:46,559
I asked them do you think my question

1222
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:49,559
was this is not the exact question but

1223
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:51,690
it was along the same lines of it do you

1224
00:55:56,329 --> 00:55:52,950
think it was one of ours

1225
00:55:58,579 --> 00:55:56,339
meaning do you think that what you saw

1226
00:56:01,819 --> 00:55:58,589
regarding this tick-tock was our

1227
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:01,829
technology and oddly one of them said

1228
00:56:09,370 --> 00:56:06,210
yes and wanted to ask the panel do you

1229
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:09,380
think that some of these unidentified

1230
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,740
objects in the sky that are moving at

1231
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:16,260
ungodly speeds and doing all these

1232
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:20,400
things that we we assume are under the

1233
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:21,930
assumption that our technology isn't

1234
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:24,329
capable of do you think that it's really

1235
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,230
our technology would maybe Rosa

1236
00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:29,760
would you like to chime in on this topic

1237
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:37,859
I want to say no I want to say that I

1238
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:40,290
think we would have seen more of it the

1239
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:45,420
fact that these pilots had the looks on

1240
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:51,210
their faces that they do it just how do

1241
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,430
I explain this it I mean it it just I

1242
00:57:02,090 --> 00:56:58,260
think they're in too much shock I don't

1243
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:02,100
think I would think that they would have

1244
00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:06,840
seen more or or help me out here guys if

1245
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,100
you know what it is I'm trying to say

1246
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:11,220
yeah I know I know what you mean okay

1247
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:13,050
they just looked you shocked well yeah

1248
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:14,970
and that that does bring up a good point

1249
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:17,310
because you would think that pilots who

1250
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:18,810
seem to spend an awful lot of time in

1251
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,240
the sky would see more of this going on

1252
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:23,280
but at the same time if they don't have

1253
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:25,460
a need to know regarding classified

1254
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:28,350
projects that might appear to look like

1255
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,250
what we think

1256
00:57:35,330 --> 00:57:32,520
eg craft might look like then you know

1257
00:57:37,310 --> 00:57:35,340
that brings up that challenge right

1258
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:37,320
there would anybody else like to talk

1259
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:39,690
about that well this is Chris I don't

1260
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:43,170
believe for a second that it's our

1261
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:46,680
technology and I I just kind of feel

1262
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:52,260
that if these are top-secret tests and

1263
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:53,730
things that these folks are doing why

1264
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:55,650
are they flying around right over the

1265
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:02,160
military their aircraft carriers are not

1266
00:58:09,980 --> 00:58:08,190
jive yeah you know well I've got a

1267
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:09,990
question for all of you and I know

1268
00:58:13,849 --> 00:58:12,150
you've done field investigations and you

1269
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:13,859
get witnesses coming in now a lot of

1270
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:15,510
times these witnesses are going to come

1271
00:58:18,859 --> 00:58:16,800
to you and they've had this incredible

1272
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:18,869
experience on the one hand yet on the

1273
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:20,940
other hand folks with the background in

1274
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,310
the field you know we've sort of seen

1275
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,440
this type of thing before we've we've

1276
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:26,880
heard about these things that we're

1277
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:29,520
aware of them and what that would seem

1278
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,770
like a really unique unusual experience

1279
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,900
well of course it is for the individual

1280
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:36,240
who has it but by the same token there

1281
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:38,040
are a lot of other individuals who have

1282
00:58:41,230 --> 00:58:40,200
had these experiences and do you ever

1283
00:58:42,609 --> 00:58:41,240
run up

1284
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:42,619
against that kind of thing when you're

1285
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:44,690
out interviewing witnesses where you

1286
00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:47,090
know the folks are beside themselves

1287
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:48,860
because they've seen something that

1288
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:51,020
really blows their mind yet by the same

1289
00:58:57,130 --> 00:58:53,930
token we're into all this so we know

1290
00:58:59,530 --> 00:58:57,140
these kind of things do happen so how do

1291
00:59:03,220 --> 00:58:59,540
you handle that type of thing well I

1292
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:03,230
just as Chris I understand that I feel

1293
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:05,810
investigating that you know we get just

1294
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:08,890
like you said we get cases that are

1295
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:13,040
misidentified most people don't pay a

1296
00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:16,630
whole lot of attention to earth science

1297
00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:19,070
astronomy you know any of that kind of

1298
00:59:22,750 --> 00:59:19,640
stuff

1299
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:22,760
weather phenomena and all that so when

1300
00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:26,330
they see something it really scares not

1301
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:28,460
everybody but quite a you know if it

1302
00:59:35,830 --> 00:59:32,240
could be a few folks and so a lot of

1303
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:35,840
them just your education to educate them

1304
00:59:43,390 --> 00:59:39,710
and stuff and so that's kind of how I

1305
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:43,400
kind of treat it as you know helping

1306
00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:45,770
them learn about what's out there and

1307
00:59:51,130 --> 00:59:47,660
offer some stuff for them to look into

1308
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:51,140
and and they go oh yeah that makes sense

1309
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,750
for sometimes the folks are very much

1310
01:00:01,810 --> 00:59:55,520
the opposite way and they go no no way

1311
01:00:04,330 --> 01:00:01,820
no how I saw a flying saucer it's like

1312
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:04,340
okay maybe you did because I wasn't

1313
01:00:11,290 --> 01:00:06,890
there either ooh no I mean you know but

1314
01:00:13,870 --> 01:00:11,300
it's yeah it's um it took to the folks

1315
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:13,880
it's a big deal to us it may be just a

1316
01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:15,770
regular lens flare or something like

1317
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:17,660
that but to them it's a big deal and

1318
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:21,730
that's why you know we help them become

1319
01:00:28,750 --> 01:00:25,040
more familiar with the world that

1320
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,760
they're living in so you get most of

1321
01:00:35,530 --> 01:00:31,280
your cases explained but about the ones

1322
01:00:36,849 --> 01:00:35,540
that aren't explained how many you Jim I

1323
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:36,859
think had mentioned that you get roughly

1324
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:39,020
yeah one a day over the course of a year

1325
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:43,640
and how many of those are you ending up

1326
01:00:51,099 --> 01:00:47,570
scratching your heads over well there's

1327
01:00:54,550 --> 01:00:51,109
bad but about 12 percent that are

1328
01:00:58,810 --> 01:00:54,560
unknowns and that's across the world

1329
01:01:00,910 --> 01:00:58,820
so even if it was only 1% still what the

1330
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:00,920
heck is that I mean you have to still

1331
01:01:06,670 --> 01:01:02,930
consider that there's something that we

1332
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:06,680
truly cannot identify so it's still a

1333
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:08,450
big deal no matter what number you have

1334
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:12,170
the 12% is a pretty good number as far

1335
01:01:17,290 --> 01:01:14,630
as these crafts that these guys were you

1336
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:17,300
know trying to that they were seeing and

1337
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:19,160
try and describing off of the show

1338
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:22,130
unidentified there is you know they've

1339
01:01:26,650 --> 01:01:24,050
had it analyzed they know what they're

1340
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:26,660
looking at they had independent you know

1341
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:28,940
civilians out there analyzing this and

1342
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:31,250
when you look at the crafts that they're

1343
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:36,470
calling the go-fast it's so fast that

1344
01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:38,570
they've never seen anything back fast

1345
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,780
and it has absolutely no heat signature

1346
01:01:46,780 --> 01:01:44,720
I don't think that we have the

1347
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:46,790
technology to do anything that has no

1348
01:01:51,850 --> 01:01:48,890
heat signature our propulsion systems

1349
01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:51,860
are loud and they're hot and they just

1350
01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:53,900
don't jive with what they're seeing on

1351
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:55,790
this stuff and then you look at the

1352
01:02:01,900 --> 01:01:57,250
craft that they're calling the gimbal

1353
01:02:04,780 --> 01:02:01,910
okay that thing is rotating at an angle

1354
01:02:06,850 --> 01:02:04,790
it doesn't lose altitude we don't have

1355
01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:06,860
anything that can do that either so

1356
01:02:12,070 --> 01:02:10,070
these things are truly anomalous and you

1357
01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:12,080
know like Chris melon said on here these

1358
01:02:19,090 --> 01:02:15,020
things are bizarre they're incredible

1359
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:19,100
and that makes them unacceptable so when

1360
01:02:22,830 --> 01:02:21,470
you call something unacceptable this is

1361
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:22,840
the guy that has seen a lot of

1362
01:02:29,290 --> 01:02:27,890
unacceptable stuff in his life you got

1363
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:29,300
to really listen to that this is

1364
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:35,150
unacceptable because it is unknown I

1365
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:38,210
just want to say that I think we'll all

1366
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:40,910
agree that the technology that we see

1367
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:47,450
every day we're usually it's been said

1368
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:51,530
that what you see today is and what's

1369
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:55,070
what's really out there the technology

1370
01:02:58,660 --> 01:02:56,930
that's that that the general public sees

1371
01:03:03,640 --> 01:02:58,670
is about 50 years behind it what's

1372
01:03:05,860 --> 01:03:03,650
really there and did this tic-tac UFO in

1373
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:05,870
this in this technology we're dealing

1374
01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:07,160
with holy smokes

1375
01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:08,420
we're not going to have

1376
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:11,990
not even in 50 years we do have we do

1377
01:03:17,110 --> 01:03:14,180
have a lot of classified and secret

1378
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:17,120
stuff I'm sure we do I hope we do let's

1379
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:21,530
put it that way but I think that this

1380
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:23,660
technology that we're looking at is so

1381
01:03:28,270 --> 01:03:26,450
wildly and advanced of anything like

1382
01:03:32,050 --> 01:03:28,280
Stacey said you know the propulsion

1383
01:03:34,620 --> 01:03:32,060
systems right now and even though we

1384
01:03:38,890 --> 01:03:34,630
have all heard that anti-gravity exists

1385
01:03:40,780 --> 01:03:38,900
this is still some amazing stuff so I I

1386
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:40,790
don't think this is ours

1387
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:44,450
so I'll go along with Chris and and and

1388
01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:46,850
the others that yeah I I agree this is

1389
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:49,820
this is it may not be extraterrestrial

1390
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:52,130
but it certainly isn't anything the

1391
01:03:56,830 --> 01:03:54,650
United States has right now this is

1392
01:03:58,270 --> 01:03:56,840
Chris the one thing I just kind of

1393
01:04:00,850 --> 01:03:58,280
wanted that because it occurred to me

1394
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:00,860
not today but I've watching the show

1395
01:04:05,350 --> 01:04:03,290
with a gimbal that Stacey was mentioning

1396
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:05,360
the gimbal and how it was rotating and

1397
01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:07,670
doing all this stuff I remembered one of

1398
01:04:14,050 --> 01:04:10,940
Jeanette George Knapp Bob Lazar things

1399
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:14,060
not that long ago that show us has the

1400
01:04:18,580 --> 01:04:16,370
movie that they just released area 51 I

1401
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,590
think it was called or whatever and Bob

1402
01:04:21,550 --> 01:04:20,000
Lazar I don't know if anybody remembers

1403
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:21,560
but he was talking when he was

1404
01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:24,650
describing to George about the craft and

1405
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:25,430
how it moves

1406
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:27,710
what was the same thing that that gimbal

1407
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:33,110
was doing no you're right Chris yeah the

1408
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:35,090
rotation is sort of doing it I the

1409
01:04:52,930 --> 01:04:46,160
bottom forwarded but that thought that

1410
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:52,940
occurred to me interesting I wanted to

1411
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:56,630
bring up Ben rich and that is there's

1412
01:05:02,320 --> 01:04:58,970
been a few quotes attributed to him

1413
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:02,330
regarding anything you can imagine we

1414
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:05,210
already know how to do and then a few

1415
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:08,450
other quotes regarding how our

1416
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:10,850
technology might already have caught up

1417
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:13,670
with the kind of technology we think

1418
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:17,150
that et crap ETS and in their craft have

1419
01:05:24,310 --> 01:05:21,920
the capability of being able to have

1420
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:24,320
what is everybody's thoughts on that is

1421
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:27,080
what been rich said just a utopia that's

1422
01:05:38,140 --> 01:05:33,530
not possible or is it a reality well

1423
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:38,150
that's a good point yeah I remember when

1424
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:40,730
bin rich said that and he said we had to

1425
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:42,410
eat we had the technology to take e.t

1426
01:05:52,690 --> 01:05:50,000
home well Wow okay think about this

1427
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:52,700
we hear about the secret space program

1428
01:05:59,530 --> 01:05:55,760
and all of that and I I was listening to

1429
01:06:02,020 --> 01:05:59,540
a lecture the other day and I can't

1430
01:06:06,330 --> 01:06:02,030
recall the person's name but the

1431
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,340
question was was this why does it take

1432
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:09,200
this is what why did it take the space

1433
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:14,090
shuttle 48 hours to get up to ISS when

1434
01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:15,890
it took the Russians 4 hours to get

1435
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,740
there Russians would launch off their

1436
01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:20,480
pads and in four hours they'd be up

1437
01:06:24,970 --> 01:06:22,460
there the United States would launch off

1438
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:24,980
their pads would be 48 to 36 hours

1439
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:28,000
before we got there what was going on

1440
01:06:34,030 --> 01:06:30,410
okay so what was going on during that

1441
01:06:36,070 --> 01:06:34,040
during that span of time and so to think

1442
01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:36,080
that there isn't another program maybe a

1443
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,660
covert or a black program going on is a

1444
01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:40,000
bit naive

1445
01:06:45,370 --> 01:06:43,190
so maybe been rich was right on you know

1446
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:45,380
that's there's there's a lot of

1447
01:06:53,170 --> 01:06:51,230
questions to be answered yet on the show

1448
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:53,180
you know and me he worked at skunk works

1449
01:06:57,550 --> 01:06:54,890
he's got pretty good knowledge of what's

1450
01:07:01,360 --> 01:06:57,560
going on out there and he said you know

1451
01:07:04,450 --> 01:07:01,370
he's pretty convinced that this is it's

1452
01:07:08,290 --> 01:07:04,460
at least a highly advanced adversary

1453
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:08,300
that we're dealing with here so that's

1454
01:07:13,450 --> 01:07:11,770
maybe another term for you know

1455
01:07:15,310 --> 01:07:13,460
extraterrestrial or whatever you want to

1456
01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:15,320
put in there but a highly advanced

1457
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:20,080
adversary yes that's pretty big stuff

1458
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:22,850
Shane here I was gonna comment to that

1459
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:27,620
you know TTS a throw or a tip rather has

1460
01:07:33,450 --> 01:07:30,680
been very careful to produce data and

1461
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:33,460
make statements that are you know very

1462
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:35,690
carefully done so for example

1463
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:39,020
they they say there are five attributes

1464
01:07:46,210 --> 01:07:42,470
that this UFO soar this UAP are

1465
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:46,220
demonstrating that they feel indicate

1466
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:48,650
that it's not our own technology so I

1467
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:50,690
can't remember all five atop my head but

1468
01:07:57,579 --> 01:07:54,799
I know one is the capability to travel

1469
01:07:59,859 --> 01:07:57,589
in trance medium in other words they can

1470
01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,869
be in space they can be in our

1471
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:02,480
atmosphere and it can be underwater with

1472
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:04,730
no apparent reconfiguration of those

1473
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:05,569
crafts

1474
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:09,770
well that is way beyond our technology

1475
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,099
you look at airplanes there's a hundred

1476
01:08:18,099 --> 01:08:15,200
different designs for different purposes

1477
01:08:20,380 --> 01:08:18,109
same with boats we have very limited

1478
01:08:22,059 --> 01:08:20,390
spacecraft they they look nothing alike

1479
01:08:24,189 --> 01:08:22,069
they don't function alike different

1480
01:08:27,579 --> 01:08:24,199
materials different designs they're just

1481
01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:27,589
you just we just can't do that so you

1482
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:31,069
know ultimately you know I may have egg

1483
01:08:34,780 --> 01:08:31,810
on my face

1484
01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:34,790
assuming that these are not our own

1485
01:08:39,939 --> 01:08:37,940
technology but so far the data from

1486
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:39,949
those who are serious investigators

1487
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:42,890
about it are pointing in that direction

1488
01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:47,089
so you know I think politically what

1489
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:48,920
we're seeing and the reason a lot of

1490
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:51,350
people are focusing on oh this could be

1491
01:08:57,309 --> 01:08:54,140
our tech is sort of that whole cognitive

1492
01:08:59,769 --> 01:08:57,319
dissonance thing is is look this is too

1493
01:09:02,740 --> 01:08:59,779
fantastic to think about that there are

1494
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:02,750
others here in this technology and this

1495
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:04,330
is part of that you know slowed

1496
01:09:08,919 --> 01:09:06,620
disclosure where you kind of drip-feed

1497
01:09:11,979 --> 01:09:08,929
and you build up to that so again what

1498
01:09:16,030 --> 01:09:11,989
where and when versus you know who and

1499
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:16,040
why and so I think that's why even TTS a

1500
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:18,049
is kind of presenting it that way well

1501
01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:20,270
we don't know what it is but you know it

1502
01:09:25,870 --> 01:09:23,020
could be China or Russia or someone else

1503
01:09:28,209 --> 01:09:25,880
knowing full well that that's not who it

1504
01:09:30,370 --> 01:09:28,219
is but you have to go there politically

1505
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,380
and just to acclimate people to the

1506
01:09:34,269 --> 01:09:32,239
whole idea that there's some kind of

1507
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:34,279
technology beyond our understanding

1508
01:09:41,769 --> 01:09:36,770
then that the hard stuffs going to come

1509
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:41,779
later so I think that's all connected go

1510
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:46,380
ahead well to add to that

1511
01:09:53,329 --> 01:09:49,650
I think about you know the ability to

1512
01:09:58,730 --> 01:09:53,339
travel trance medium think about the

1513
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:58,740
shag harbour event when those they were

1514
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:01,320
tracking they were tracking objects

1515
01:10:05,210 --> 01:10:03,000
moving under the under the water at

1516
01:10:08,420 --> 01:10:05,220
incredible speeds near the speed of

1517
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,430
sound if you were to believe some of the

1518
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:11,840
reports and Stacey and I do a

1519
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:14,010
presentation that we give locally here

1520
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:16,440
and Stacey mentioned shag harbour in her

1521
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:19,560
in her presentation and that was quite

1522
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:21,900
an incredible event I don't remember how

1523
01:10:31,580 --> 01:10:24,690
long ago that was to use there was 67

1524
01:10:36,650 --> 01:10:31,590
yeah biology to travel fast underwater

1525
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:36,660
is nothing new so yeah this I think

1526
01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:39,060
we're dealing with a completely a

1527
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:42,990
different different group of people I

1528
01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:45,300
you know I don't think it's us I just

1529
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:46,760
don't

1530
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:50,250
yep I agree it's it's a it's a challenge

1531
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,590
but you know if I think if we're patient

1532
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:55,440
let these things unfold as they need to

1533
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,690
you know politically and emotionally and

1534
01:11:01,760 --> 01:10:59,760
and all those things that that more and

1535
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:01,770
more it's going to come out and yeah the

1536
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,720
conclusion is going to get you know the

1537
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:05,400
options for a conclusion are going to

1538
01:11:24,189 --> 01:11:07,980
get narrower and narrower and that's

1539
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:26,770
are we still here yeah yeah chant you're

1540
01:11:36,130 --> 01:11:29,690
talking and I can't hear you oh maybe

1541
01:11:38,169 --> 01:11:36,140
that's a blessing the question I saw

1542
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:38,179
your lips moving in that no sound was

1543
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:44,690
coming down like my boyfriend anyway the

1544
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:48,160
question I have for the panel is this

1545
01:11:53,939 --> 01:11:51,679
the UFOs that are reported in the sky

1546
01:11:58,810 --> 01:11:53,949
let's just pretend that some of them are

1547
01:12:01,900 --> 01:11:58,820
ET craft for a moment how many years in

1548
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:01,910
advance do you think these ET crafts are

1549
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:06,190
is it eons you know millions of years or

1550
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:09,650
10,000 years ahead of our time thoughts

1551
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,449
on this this and that debt is like one

1552
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:20,239
of the ultimate questions how advanced

1553
01:12:28,169 --> 01:12:24,350
are they we know that our our species on

1554
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:28,179
this planet our present our present

1555
01:12:34,689 --> 01:12:30,770
understanding of how old our human race

1556
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:34,699
is you know we're young in the universe

1557
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:36,890
we're not very old we're the new kids on

1558
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:40,400
the block really an advanced

1559
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:43,160
civilization could be easily a billion

1560
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:46,010
years older than us so you know who

1561
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:48,530
knows who knows but I think what we're

1562
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,290
seeing is we're seeing technology that

1563
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:53,600
is easily 500 years in advance to us

1564
01:13:04,150 --> 01:12:57,520
right now that's my opinion

1565
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:04,160
anyone else yes it's really an unknown I

1566
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:06,110
don't think anyone anyone knows that's

1567
01:13:09,970 --> 01:13:07,520
why we're all trying to study the

1568
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:09,980
subject and find out all the pieces of

1569
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:11,810
the puzzle connect some dots we just

1570
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:16,310
don't know yeah bro we know they could

1571
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:20,270
be actually faster than we are you know

1572
01:13:24,459 --> 01:13:22,489
they might not even be older than might

1573
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:24,469
be younger than we are they just got to

1574
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:26,510
this level technology-wise faster than

1575
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:33,710
we you know of no way this unidentified

1576
01:13:37,899 --> 01:13:35,570
series brought out some interesting

1577
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:37,909
commentary from the UFO community

1578
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:40,760
and also the general public regarding

1579
01:13:46,959 --> 01:13:44,810
the topic of a threat in our skies

1580
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:46,969
my understanding is Elizondo resigned

1581
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:48,710
after expressing to the government that

1582
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,050
these you IPS could pose a major threat

1583
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:53,360
to our national security and not enough

1584
01:13:56,740 --> 01:13:54,770
was being done to deal with them or

1585
01:13:59,229 --> 01:13:56,750
address our potential vulnerabilities as

1586
01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:59,239
it says on the unidentified a series

1587
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:02,239
history channel's website do you think

1588
01:14:07,209 --> 01:14:04,730
that this series actually caused people

1589
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:07,219
to have more fear is it a fear-based

1590
01:15:47,750 --> 01:14:10,520
show regarding UFOs so to speak thoughts

1591
01:15:54,750 --> 01:15:51,900
yeah Shane here two up I don't think the

1592
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,760
program was you know portraying it in a

1593
01:15:58,350 --> 01:15:56,800
fear factor sort of way I mean

1594
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,360
definitely a threat is the language

1595
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:01,360
they're using but remember the intent of

1596
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:04,500
this is to motivate Congress to act and

1597
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,150
remember the holders of this information

1598
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:08,560
the people who are pushing this forward

1599
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:10,690
are the military they are in the threat

1600
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:13,570
business and threat equals dollars and

1601
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,780
so you know this is again part of I

1602
01:16:21,450 --> 01:16:18,640
think it was Chris Mellon who said you

1603
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:21,460
know we are trying to work within a

1604
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:24,130
political system here to get this

1605
01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:26,650
information in this topic move forward

1606
01:16:28,980 --> 01:16:28,780
and I think that it's a reflection of

1607
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:28,990
that

1608
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,330
now I will say personally I don't think

1609
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:33,280
there are a threat and I don't think so

1610
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:34,390
is because they haven't demonstrated

1611
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:36,370
that at least that we know of

1612
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:39,040
however you know in principle you have

1613
01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:41,350
to acknowledge if you don't know about

1614
01:16:47,610 --> 01:16:44,380
them they could potentially be a threat

1615
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,620
you just don't know so but again I don't

1616
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:50,080
think this has been overly hyped like oh

1617
01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:51,310
you know we've got to do something

1618
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,840
because they're you know we're gonna get

1619
01:16:57,150 --> 01:16:55,120
invaded tomorrow it isn't like that but

1620
01:16:59,850 --> 01:16:57,160
it is look we're going to dedicate

1621
01:17:02,010 --> 01:16:59,860
dollars and time and resources and you

1622
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:02,020
know national treasure to this there has

1623
01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:03,880
to be a good and valid reason to do it

1624
01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:05,860
and a threat is always a good and valid

1625
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:07,900
reason at least from the perspective of

1626
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:13,930
Congress and the military what what I

1627
01:17:19,050 --> 01:17:17,170
wanted to say is that I think it's a

1628
01:17:19,530 --> 01:17:19,060
it's a good idea we don't know who they

1629
01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:19,540
are

1630
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:22,390
the bad guy could write into town I mean

1631
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:23,890
you know you say oh they've all been

1632
01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:26,830
through our life of they've never done

1633
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:30,910
anything well things change and they

1634
01:17:35,690 --> 01:17:33,310
continue to change and the guys with the

1635
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:35,700
black hat may ride into town one day and

1636
01:17:41,610 --> 01:17:39,910
we don't we need to be prepared and for

1637
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:41,620
what it's worth I don't think we would

1638
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,650
have a chance but who knows if it's like

1639
01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:46,480
War of the Worlds our bugs will kill

1640
01:17:52,350 --> 01:17:50,980
them off well and and that makes an

1641
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:52,360
interesting point when you look at

1642
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:54,850
episode 5 which is the atomic connection

1643
01:18:00,479 --> 01:17:59,440
on that there seems to be another huge

1644
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:00,489
interest

1645
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:04,480
our arsenal of nuclear weapons and where

1646
01:18:10,109 --> 01:18:07,780
they're stored but they have done

1647
01:18:13,049 --> 01:18:10,119
nothing that we should be real fear

1648
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:13,059
based on about this right it sounds like

1649
01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:14,650
they have been something and looking at

1650
01:18:22,729 --> 01:18:18,760
our stuff since about 1966 but in some

1651
01:18:26,660 --> 01:18:22,739
instances they shut down our arsenal

1652
01:18:29,729 --> 01:18:26,670
they have not melted it they have not

1653
01:18:31,620 --> 01:18:29,739
blown it up they have not done anything

1654
01:18:34,169 --> 01:18:31,630
like that that we should be super

1655
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:34,179
fearful of so you just have to wonder

1656
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:36,249
are they coming to just check us out and

1657
01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:37,530
see what we have

1658
01:18:43,049 --> 01:18:40,780
because as Jim Marrs mentioned once you

1659
01:18:50,370 --> 01:18:43,059
know oh the kids have found the matches

1660
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:50,380
right so our key are the into the show

1661
01:18:55,169 --> 01:18:53,530
of strength are they showing us that we

1662
01:18:56,729 --> 01:18:55,179
shouldn't be messing with this or are

1663
01:18:59,399 --> 01:18:56,739
they showing us that they can shut us

1664
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:59,409
down at any point they want and are they

1665
01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:00,159
doing that

1666
01:19:06,089 --> 01:19:03,190
as a show of strength or as a show of

1667
01:19:07,919 --> 01:19:06,099
protection for us so you got to look at

1668
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:07,929
it two different ways you know what they

1669
01:19:11,069 --> 01:19:09,820
haven't blown us up by using our own

1670
01:19:13,379 --> 01:19:11,079
weapons against us

1671
01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:13,389
so I tend to think that they're not

1672
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:16,780
going to and thank god maybe they're

1673
01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:18,489
here to teach us we shouldn't be messing

1674
01:19:26,989 --> 01:19:22,150
with the stuff I don't know but I don't

1675
01:19:34,129 --> 01:19:30,600
Rossa how do you feel do you think that

1676
01:19:37,950 --> 01:19:34,139
we should be afraid of the UFO topic

1677
01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:37,960
regarding UFOs being in our sky they're

1678
01:19:42,779 --> 01:19:41,230
possibly et related craft and also do

1679
01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:42,789
you think the unidentified series came

1680
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:47,260
off in that manner um I I want to say no

1681
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:51,670
maybe a small tentacle maybe but I want

1682
01:19:56,069 --> 01:19:53,050
to agree with the rest of the panel

1683
01:19:57,839 --> 01:19:56,079
because if what are they waiting for I

1684
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,849
believe that if it were a throat they

1685
01:20:01,319 --> 01:19:59,440
would have done something by now I

1686
01:20:03,029 --> 01:20:01,329
believe that they're on standby and

1687
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:03,039
they're just waiting for us to do

1688
01:20:11,790 --> 01:20:06,670
something really stupid and we haven't

1689
01:20:12,899 --> 01:20:11,800
done that yet well you know we got a few

1690
01:20:14,970 --> 01:20:12,909
slugs in the

1691
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:14,980
I'm sure but I really believe they're on

1692
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,810
standby and like you guys have said

1693
01:20:21,330 --> 01:20:18,400
they've come and they've shut things

1694
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:21,340
down and and I believe it's a little bit

1695
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:23,710
of both they're showing that we're here

1696
01:20:31,140 --> 01:20:25,210
I believe there's some sort of

1697
01:20:34,350 --> 01:20:31,150
protection behind it and the government

1698
01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:34,360
doesn't seem to be afraid or oral arms

1699
01:20:41,250 --> 01:20:39,940
by it so they know something and again I

1700
01:20:44,959 --> 01:20:41,260
believe they're waiting for us to do

1701
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:44,969
something even more stupid if I may say

1702
01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:49,290
I wanted to bring up an interesting

1703
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:53,230
quote that rich Hoffman gave to me to

1704
01:20:58,770 --> 01:20:55,690
read to actually ask the panel about and

1705
01:21:02,340 --> 01:20:58,780
that is this he said here's another data

1706
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:02,350
point for your discussion for your

1707
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:04,690
consideration lou elizondo's work

1708
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:06,940
represents the first time a member of

1709
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,550
the US intelligence community has come

1710
01:21:14,129 --> 01:21:11,199
forward to speak coherently and

1711
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:14,139
scientifically about the phenomena this

1712
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:16,120
will hopefully prompt other members of

1713
01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:18,250
the intelligence community to include

1714
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:19,960
former directors of national

1715
01:21:26,129 --> 01:21:22,210
intelligence and former directors of the

1716
01:21:29,490 --> 01:21:26,139
Defense Intelligence Agency to lobby the

1717
01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:29,500
US Congress to take a BART bar paw up

1718
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:32,110
our partes I'm sorry it's hard for me to

1719
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:35,590
say that word bar piracy by Thank You

1720
01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:38,650
stand and lifting the veil of secrecy on

1721
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:41,350
this subject and allow an open public

1722
01:22:24,910 --> 01:21:42,940
private study of this issue

1723
01:22:31,549 --> 01:22:29,240
and she like go ahead Jim very glad I

1724
01:22:34,069 --> 01:22:31,559
think that if the United States

1725
01:22:37,790 --> 01:22:34,079
government wanted to shut loo down out

1726
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:37,800
they would okay there's a lot of

1727
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:39,540
opinions down there to Pentagon but

1728
01:22:44,510 --> 01:22:42,510
there's also a lot of power and if they

1729
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:44,520
wanted to shut Lew and Chris Mellon and

1730
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:47,250
the rest of them down I I believe they

1731
01:22:58,939 --> 01:22:54,840
could okay so I think I think that this

1732
01:23:01,520 --> 01:22:58,949
is being allowed to go forward and the

1733
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,530
fact that the tick-tack UFO and there

1734
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:03,360
was a whole fleet of them as the Prince

1735
01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:06,090
as the Princeton saw him on radar a

1736
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:09,270
whole fleet of them the ETS are letting

1737
01:23:14,089 --> 01:23:12,360
themselves be seen the United States

1738
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:14,099
government is letting this group go

1739
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:16,860
forward you put two and two together

1740
01:23:22,819 --> 01:23:19,260
here and we can see disclosures coming

1741
01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:22,829
but it's it we have to be curious we

1742
01:23:26,209 --> 01:23:24,270
have to be curious to find out who

1743
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:26,219
what's going on same time we need to be

1744
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:30,719
cautious so I think that both both

1745
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:32,489
controlling factors the United States

1746
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:33,960
government or the world government if

1747
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:37,050
you will and et themselves and I'm

1748
01:23:41,839 --> 01:23:38,610
calling them et's because what else will

1749
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:41,849
be had to call them is entered in

1750
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,550
terrestrial like enter terrestrial the

1751
01:23:54,859 --> 01:23:52,800
unknowns you know there's nothing in

1752
01:23:58,100 --> 01:23:54,869
control those those funny little objects

1753
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,110
out over the ocean and they're allowing

1754
01:24:02,030 --> 01:24:00,000
us they're actually allowing us to

1755
01:24:03,799 --> 01:24:02,040
investigate them a little bit I mean

1756
01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:03,809
they let the they came up there and they

1757
01:24:08,660 --> 01:24:06,150
played around with the with the f-18s

1758
01:24:10,339 --> 01:24:08,670
and they darted up and darted down back

1759
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,349
down to the ocean back up to the sky so

1760
01:24:15,589 --> 01:24:12,000
they were they were saying hey look at

1761
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,599
us look what we can do and I think

1762
01:24:21,229 --> 01:24:18,000
they're waiting yeah so I think

1763
01:24:23,899 --> 01:24:21,239
everybody I think everybody's just

1764
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:23,909
moving Kosh cautiously here but they're

1765
01:24:53,660 --> 01:24:49,250
this is Maryanne

1766
01:24:57,229 --> 01:24:53,670
yes jumping on Jim's comment jumping on

1767
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:57,239
the back on that is that I believe other

1768
01:25:01,520 --> 01:24:59,699
government officials probably want to

1769
01:25:02,929 --> 01:25:01,530
come out and say something I bet they

1770
01:25:04,910 --> 01:25:02,939
were just a little too scared they

1771
01:25:07,879 --> 01:25:04,920
didn't want to lose their jobs or get

1772
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:07,889
ridiculed by the public or other

1773
01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:12,780
government officials and my thought is

1774
01:25:17,509 --> 01:25:14,340
they seen what

1775
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:17,519
Elizondo and Chris Mellon and Steve

1776
01:25:23,929 --> 01:25:20,729
justice has done with this the show

1777
01:25:26,089 --> 01:25:23,939
unidentified and and speaking out of

1778
01:25:29,239 --> 01:25:26,099
everything and nothing's happened to

1779
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:29,249
them that we know of and people are

1780
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:30,719
listening to them they're taking them

1781
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:33,510
seriously like you said aliens come out

1782
01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:36,289
they wanted to be part of the show and

1783
01:25:42,469 --> 01:25:40,289
bring out some of their investigations I

1784
01:25:43,759 --> 01:25:42,479
think the government officials that

1785
01:25:47,149 --> 01:25:43,769
maybe want to come out

1786
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:47,159
sit back Wow okay hey that was great

1787
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:49,530
what they did they came out hey we want

1788
01:25:55,069 --> 01:25:52,920
to come out so I bet in the next I don't

1789
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:55,079
know hopefully a few months that other

1790
01:26:05,629 --> 01:25:59,360
government officials will come out as

1791
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:05,639
positive information and give some of

1792
01:26:08,319 --> 01:26:07,320
their information and share with the

1793
01:26:11,410 --> 01:26:08,329
world

1794
01:26:15,140 --> 01:26:11,420
this is Chris you know I I think that

1795
01:26:17,299 --> 01:26:15,150
you know we have to like Lou and those

1796
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,309
guys are doing with them what's that is

1797
01:26:22,219 --> 01:26:20,400
that you know they this is not just the

1798
01:26:24,770 --> 01:26:22,229
United States issue this is the globe

1799
01:26:28,759 --> 01:26:24,780
it's a global issue and in order to have

1800
01:26:30,939 --> 01:26:28,769
disclosure I mean every globally and

1801
01:26:33,739 --> 01:26:30,949
everybody needs to be on board in order

1802
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,749
these like like the Italians for example

1803
01:26:38,179 --> 01:26:35,280
now getting on and who knows who else

1804
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:38,189
will get on next but I mean and there's

1805
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:40,170
no point than the president Trump coming

1806
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:41,760
up and saying you know we're being

1807
01:26:49,899 --> 01:26:44,280
visited if nobody else in the world is

1808
01:26:55,429 --> 01:26:49,909
gonna stand up unified in saying this

1809
01:26:58,210 --> 01:26:55,439
truthful um yeah thank you so much for

1810
01:27:01,250 --> 01:26:58,220
that really appreciate that

1811
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:01,260
wanted to also bring up Shane something

1812
01:27:07,340 --> 01:27:03,900
that you touched on earlier in the show

1813
01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:07,350
and that was Congress can you envision a

1814
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:09,390
full congressional hearing specifically

1815
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:11,730
for military pilots who have had UAP

1816
01:27:19,220 --> 01:27:15,690
encounters Shane yeah I think it is

1817
01:27:20,780 --> 01:27:19,230
possible and I think that you know it

1818
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:20,790
would be an important thing that would

1819
01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:23,400
give confidence to the nation and

1820
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:26,190
everyone involved that a it's being

1821
01:27:30,710 --> 01:27:28,020
taken seriously but there is some

1822
01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:30,720
transparency with it and I agree with

1823
01:27:34,580 --> 01:27:32,700
the fact that this is a topic that's

1824
01:27:37,010 --> 01:27:34,590
going to have two levels really you're

1825
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:37,020
going to have secret top secret and then

1826
01:27:40,850 --> 01:27:38,730
you'll have information that can be

1827
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:40,860
available to the general public and to

1828
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:43,410
scientists to study and so forth

1829
01:27:48,590 --> 01:27:46,860
so yeah it's um I think it would be an

1830
01:27:51,230 --> 01:27:48,600
important piece of the puzzle I know it

1831
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,240
happened in the past in about 1968 and

1832
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:54,000
five or six you know scientists

1833
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,370
including Stan Friedman and Jim McDonald

1834
01:28:00,620 --> 01:27:57,920
and those guys were able to do that

1835
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:00,630
didn't entirely move the meter at the

1836
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:04,320
time but that was certainly sort of the

1837
01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:07,440
peak of repression of the topic let's

1838
01:28:12,650 --> 01:28:10,260
say and I think you know in terms of

1839
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:12,660
Rich's question and and you know

1840
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:14,250
intelligence people wanting to come out

1841
01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:15,960
just kind of echo what everyone said is

1842
01:28:21,260 --> 01:28:18,420
this really looks to me like it's a

1843
01:28:23,180 --> 01:28:21,270
tiered process right first you know

1844
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:23,190
there's what they can say based on their

1845
01:28:27,710 --> 01:28:25,560
NDA's and their security clearances and

1846
01:28:29,810 --> 01:28:27,720
then there's things that they would be

1847
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,820
comfortable saying you know which is

1848
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:31,560
more personal for them and I think

1849
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:34,890
everybody is affected by the the whole

1850
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:37,890
concept of ridicule and whether it's a

1851
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:39,570
threat to your career or what you think

1852
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:40,980
your family and friends will think of

1853
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:42,450
you I mean that affects everybody

1854
01:29:07,989 --> 01:28:45,330
intelligence agents scientists and you

1855
01:29:12,559 --> 01:29:10,520
yeah and I was just going just throwing

1856
01:29:14,929 --> 01:29:12,569
on that topic of ridicule I mean I think

1857
01:29:17,979 --> 01:29:14,939
we probably are all having the same

1858
01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:17,989
experience that it is greatly reduced

1859
01:29:22,459 --> 01:29:20,399
and again you know four five years ago

1860
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:22,469
when I started this whole thing I didn't

1861
01:29:27,349 --> 01:29:24,329
tell anybody you know and I was nervous

1862
01:29:29,959 --> 01:29:27,359
about it including my career you know my

1863
01:29:33,799 --> 01:29:29,969
religion you know some of my family my

1864
01:29:36,049 --> 01:29:33,809
friends but I I personally have

1865
01:29:39,619 --> 01:29:36,059
experienced just the opposite I cannot

1866
01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:39,629
believe how accepting people are and you

1867
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,249
know I've got a MUFON shirt and it says

1868
01:29:46,939 --> 01:29:43,199
you know on the back and big letters

1869
01:29:49,819 --> 01:29:46,949
report a UFO to MUFON comm wherever I go

1870
01:29:51,949 --> 01:29:49,829
I am not kidding I've worn it let's say

1871
01:29:55,489 --> 01:29:51,959
seven eight different places you know

1872
01:29:57,319 --> 01:29:55,499
Home Depot the d-backs football game it

1873
01:29:59,779 --> 01:29:57,329
doesn't matter wherever I am somebody

1874
01:30:01,489 --> 01:29:59,789
stops me they ask me about it they want

1875
01:30:03,409 --> 01:30:01,499
to share experience they had or that

1876
01:30:06,469 --> 01:30:03,419
they're like all I'm so curious I saw

1877
01:30:08,449 --> 01:30:06,479
that show or I mean this is unheard of

1878
01:30:09,020 --> 01:30:08,459
this would not have happened five or ten

1879
01:30:12,020 --> 01:30:09,030
years ago

1880
01:30:16,069 --> 01:30:12,030
and it's really amazing so I and I think

1881
01:30:18,859 --> 01:30:16,079
Frank you mentioned earlier like it or

1882
01:30:22,429 --> 01:30:18,869
not ancient aliens that has a had had a

1883
01:30:25,429 --> 01:30:22,439
huge impact on the way people you know

1884
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:25,439
think differently now you know about

1885
01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:26,639
things are willing to accept

1886
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:28,649
alternatives to what you know the

1887
01:30:34,009 --> 01:30:31,169
narrative that we've all been raised on

1888
01:30:35,719 --> 01:30:34,019
and and I think that's got a long way to

1889
01:30:38,089 --> 01:30:35,729
help it and then of course what was

1890
01:30:40,849 --> 01:30:38,099
happening recently when you have

1891
01:30:43,639 --> 01:30:40,859
scientific data credible people you know

1892
01:30:46,549 --> 01:30:43,649
bringing that data in an in a credible

1893
01:30:48,619 --> 01:30:46,559
way it is swaying people's opinion and

1894
01:30:50,809 --> 01:30:48,629
so you know I welcome it

1895
01:30:53,029 --> 01:30:50,819
because the the more that happens yeah

1896
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:53,039
it's easier on me and you know my fellow

1897
01:30:59,419 --> 01:30:57,510
MUFON investigators and so forth but the

1898
01:31:02,089 --> 01:30:59,429
fact is you know more people will learn

1899
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:02,099
more information and and you know more

1900
01:31:12,190 --> 01:31:04,649
information is good so I mean I love how

1901
01:31:15,140 --> 01:31:12,200
it's trending oh yeah hey

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01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,150
before we wrap it up go ahead Stacie go

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01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:17,520
ahead oh I just got a question that I

1904
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:20,340
want to pose to everyone yeah I just see

1905
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:21,690
what everyone thought about the very

1906
01:31:28,130 --> 01:31:25,950
ending of episode six when Lou was asked

1907
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:28,140
a question by the reporter can the

1908
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:31,110
public handle the truth and he had this

1909
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:33,810
really good look of disgust on his face

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01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:36,510
and just stood up and walked away so

1911
01:31:39,980 --> 01:31:38,190
what do you guys think about that what's

1912
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:39,990
your take on that what do you think that

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01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:48,810
meant yeah I think that's a great

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01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:53,370
question I think Alice andö basically

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01:31:59,000 --> 01:31:55,650
you're just like look that's a stupid

1916
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,010
question the people can handle it they

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01:32:04,430 --> 01:32:01,440
are waiting for the disclosure they're

1918
01:32:09,310 --> 01:32:04,440
waiting for more disclosure yes we can

1919
01:32:11,630 --> 01:32:09,320
handle it bring it on yeah I agree

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01:32:13,550 --> 01:32:11,640
yeah I'm not going to dignify that

1921
01:32:16,670 --> 01:32:13,560
question with an answer that's kind of

1922
01:32:18,380 --> 01:32:16,680
the way I say it's a great question

1923
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:18,390
Stacy thank you for bringing that up

1924
01:32:22,090 --> 01:32:20,250
before we wrap this up I did have a

1925
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:22,100
question I wanted to ask the panel

1926
01:32:27,650 --> 01:32:25,370
Richard Haines retired NASA scientist

1927
01:32:29,930 --> 01:32:27,660
research scientist and former chief of

1928
01:32:31,700 --> 01:32:29,940
the space human factors office at Ames

1929
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:31,710
Research Center I'm going to start a

1930
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:34,530
quote he's actually talking in an

1931
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:35,910
interview and then you'll see where I'm

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01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:38,970
going with it in a moment the quote is

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01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:41,760
that's my experience in general you are

1934
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:44,490
exactly right I share your view that it

1935
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:47,730
is extremely multi-dimensional so much

1936
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:49,770
so that traditional science is really

1937
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:51,030
not up to the task

1938
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:52,890
now that's an insight that has come

1939
01:32:58,730 --> 01:32:55,620
slowly over the years because I clung to

1940
01:33:00,980 --> 01:32:58,740
science as a method a technique to tease

1941
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:00,990
out these fine points and eventually get

1942
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,970
to the bottom of it but the longer I am

1943
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:04,800
looking at the evidence the less I'm

1944
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:07,170
convinced that is the way to go there

1945
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:09,120
certainly as part of the phenomena that

1946
01:33:14,150 --> 01:33:11,310
will yield to science but there is a

1947
01:33:16,940 --> 01:33:14,160
whole other psychic or psychological

1948
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:16,950
dimension that not even psychology is

1949
01:33:21,260 --> 01:33:19,170
going to come close to I can see why a

1950
01:33:23,690 --> 01:33:21,270
lot of my colleagues are in denial about

1951
01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:23,700
this he's talking about the phenomena

1952
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:25,990
that we all love to research here

1953
01:33:31,310 --> 01:33:27,760
how does everybody feel about the

1954
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:31,320
possibility of this phenomena being

1955
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:37,120
interdimensional I think I think science

1956
01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:40,480
has no boundaries okay and when we box

1957
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:42,520
ourselves in and we say that we already

1958
01:33:47,310 --> 01:33:44,560
know everything about something we're

1959
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:47,320
making a fool of ourselves so good

1960
01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:52,150
science is is open-minded and ready to

1961
01:33:57,390 --> 01:33:55,270
accept new ideas so that's where I'm at

1962
01:34:00,900 --> 01:33:57,400
with that of certainly I believe that

1963
01:34:02,910 --> 01:34:00,910
that there is other dimensional realms

1964
01:34:06,210 --> 01:34:02,920
that we have yet to discover until I'm

1965
01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:06,220
open to that absolutely I agree this

1966
01:34:22,290 --> 01:34:15,480
Kris and was that Mary Ann or Stacy

1967
01:34:25,260 --> 01:34:22,300
Marian agrees also and Rosa how do you

1968
01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:25,270
feel about the possibility of an et

1969
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:27,790
presence and even their craft being

1970
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:29,710
interdimensional what are your thoughts

1971
01:34:33,150 --> 01:34:30,130
on that

1972
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:33,160
most definitely did anybody I forget

1973
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:35,170
what year it was I don't know if it was

1974
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:40,050
own I think it took place in a suburb of

1975
01:34:48,380 --> 01:34:42,610
California did anybody catch the footage

1976
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:48,390
that was caught on a lot of the homes

1977
01:35:00,600 --> 01:34:55,210
cameras could I say an or just a lot of

1978
01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:00,610
light just overhead and then something

1979
01:35:04,410 --> 01:35:03,550
just mushroomed open and the moment that

1980
01:35:06,750 --> 01:35:04,420
this orb

1981
01:35:09,930 --> 01:35:06,760
went right in the mushroom there was a

1982
01:35:12,450 --> 01:35:09,940
sort of explosion and it was caught all

1983
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:12,460
on camera and the reverberation of it

1984
01:35:21,930 --> 01:35:15,810
was felt in that areas if anybody

1985
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:21,940
happened or managed to catch that wow

1986
01:35:25,650 --> 01:35:24,010
that sounds fascinating yeah I know we

1987
01:35:28,980 --> 01:35:25,660
would all love the link to that as soon

1988
01:35:30,930 --> 01:35:28,990
as we had the show if you could send

1989
01:35:33,150 --> 01:35:30,940
that that would be great I would love to

1990
01:35:36,270 --> 01:35:33,160
look at that that did it for me

1991
01:35:38,500 --> 01:35:36,280
most definitely and it was caught early

1992
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:38,510
by this guys camera

1993
01:35:44,049 --> 01:35:41,449
and the explosion at the moment this

1994
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:44,059
thing opened up and it just warped right

1995
01:35:49,810 --> 01:35:46,610
through it and it disappeared I said

1996
01:35:57,879 --> 01:35:49,820
that's it it's it's the real deal so yes

1997
01:36:02,020 --> 01:35:57,889
I do play well yes Jim please do we

1998
01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:02,030
watched David Pilates latest moving our

1999
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:05,300
movie missing four one one hunters okay

2000
01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:10,719
the haunted have any of you seen that

2001
01:36:18,549 --> 01:36:15,260
uh-huh we we love his work has to go

2002
01:36:24,910 --> 01:36:18,559
well when people just go missing into

2003
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:24,920
thin air documented cases okay does that

2004
01:36:33,009 --> 01:36:28,960
does that scream of inter-dimensional or

2005
01:36:34,540 --> 01:36:33,019
multi-dimensional or of a science that

2006
01:36:38,620 --> 01:36:34,550
we have yet to understand

2007
01:36:42,069 --> 01:36:38,630
David Maccabees our Bruce macabees wife

2008
01:36:44,529 --> 01:36:42,079
I think her name is Jen she would go

2009
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:44,539
hunting out in the woods and she would

2010
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:45,920
see something that kind of looked like

2011
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:47,440
the predator you know the invisible

2012
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:50,449
creature up in this up in the up in the

2013
01:36:54,089 --> 01:36:52,250
tree kind of looked kind of like you

2014
01:36:57,490 --> 01:36:54,099
were looking through water or something

2015
01:37:01,899 --> 01:36:57,500
so there's things out there and there's

2016
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:01,909
a science out there and I think that

2017
01:37:06,250 --> 01:37:03,920
this whole thing that David plays is is

2018
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,260
working with missing four one one where

2019
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:08,480
these people just go missing okay just

2020
01:37:12,490 --> 01:37:10,610
BAM even though even the search dogs

2021
01:37:15,490 --> 01:37:12,500
can't find him it was like somebody just

2022
01:37:18,009 --> 01:37:15,500
takes them off the planet and the point

2023
01:37:22,660 --> 01:37:18,019
that he mentioned was a lot of them are

2024
01:37:28,419 --> 01:37:22,670
very hikers hunters

2025
01:37:32,970 --> 01:37:28,429
and engineers scientists that just

2026
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:32,980
disappear yeah so yeah interdimensional

2027
01:37:37,149 --> 01:37:36,530
multi-dimensional absolutely yep that's

2028
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:37,159
my opinion

2029
01:37:40,779 --> 01:37:39,170
thank you for having brought him up I

2030
01:37:42,879 --> 01:37:40,789
wanted to read a little bit about him so

2031
01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:42,889
folks know who he is and can look him up

2032
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:45,679
later his name is David Pilates and his

2033
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:52,250
last name is spelled P a ULP

2034
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:54,710
writer known or unknown primarily for

2035
01:37:59,470 --> 01:37:57,110
self-published books and dedicated to

2036
01:38:02,770 --> 01:37:59,480
proving different phenomena regarding

2037
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:02,780
the topic of ufology and more wanted to

2038
01:38:07,540 --> 01:38:05,270
mention that Phoenix MUFON it looks like

2039
01:38:10,090 --> 01:38:07,550
they have some wonderful speakers coming

2040
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:10,100
up Stacey do you mind letting us know

2041
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,600
who those speakers are I'm on your

2042
01:38:15,730 --> 01:38:13,520
website right now there's quite a few

2043
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:15,740
well-known people that I know people

2044
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:17,450
would love to go see at your Phoenix

2045
01:38:26,140 --> 01:38:23,510
MUFON meetings yeah we're coming in each

2046
01:38:28,030 --> 01:38:26,150
month that we bring in so the next month

2047
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:28,040
it's gonna be August 17th we've got

2048
01:38:33,220 --> 01:38:30,650
James Keenan coming in to talk and he's

2049
01:38:36,610 --> 01:38:33,230
a true hands-on researcher he just got

2050
01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:36,620
back from Central America and he's going

2051
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,270
to be talking to us about all kinds of

2052
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:40,400
strange anomalies some new research in

2053
01:38:44,620 --> 01:38:42,650
the Mayans that he's done and he's gonna

2054
01:38:47,140 --> 01:38:44,630
have some great stuff

2055
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:47,150
we've got Travis Walton coming up in

2056
01:38:52,180 --> 01:38:49,250
December we will have David pleiades

2057
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:52,190
coming back for the 4th time that'll be

2058
01:38:58,660 --> 01:38:56,090
in January of 2020 but yeah we we've got

2059
01:39:01,900 --> 01:38:58,670
good speakers coming up we've got a you

2060
01:39:03,940 --> 01:39:01,910
know a local astronomy professor

2061
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:03,950
speaking to us he's going to give us the

2062
01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:06,890
latest on some exoplanets that all that

2063
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:09,620
information is on our website we yes we

2064
01:39:13,810 --> 01:39:11,450
touch on all kinds of things it's not

2065
01:39:15,460 --> 01:39:13,820
just UFOs it's not just the nuts and

2066
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:15,470
bolts but it is a lot of these things

2067
01:39:22,210 --> 01:39:18,320
that are delving into that whole

2068
01:39:26,700 --> 01:39:22,220
interdimensional realm so anyone can go

2069
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,820
www.archives.gov/calendar researcher

2070
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:51,440
who's done of an extensive amount of

2071
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:54,050
research his topic for decades she did

2072
01:39:57,370 --> 01:39:56,000
write a book called us today 70 years of

2073
01:40:00,040 --> 01:39:57,380
lies this information and government

2074
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,050
cover cover up inside the lightning ball

2075
01:40:04,510 --> 01:40:02,000
scientific study of life long UFO

2076
01:40:05,770 --> 01:40:04,520
experiences and the sacred corridor

2077
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:05,780
secrets behind the real

2078
01:40:11,229 --> 01:40:08,690
Project Blue Book books that I recommend

2079
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:11,239
anybody goes on Amazon to go look out

2080
01:40:15,819 --> 01:40:13,610
and buy we also have a few other

2081
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,829
speakers that are showing up F Phoenix

2082
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:17,840
MUFON such as dr. Kevin Healy on

2083
01:40:23,470 --> 01:40:19,610
September 21st of this year

2084
01:40:25,540 --> 01:40:23,480
Don Schmidt October 19th chase klutz

2085
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:25,550
Keith who we love very much she's a

2086
01:40:30,069 --> 01:40:27,650
wonderful person she's going to be there

2087
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:30,079
November 16th she's also going to be

2088
01:40:33,970 --> 01:40:32,449
showing up for UFO Congress which is

2089
01:40:35,890 --> 01:40:33,980
going to be happening at September of

2090
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:35,900
this year and I recommend everybody go

2091
01:40:40,689 --> 01:40:38,239
to that before we leave today I wanted

2092
01:40:42,669 --> 01:40:40,699
to ask all of our wonderful people from

2093
01:40:46,569 --> 01:40:42,679
the Phoenix MUFON team do you plan on

2094
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:46,579
attending that event that is a UFO

2095
01:40:55,229 --> 01:40:49,250
Congress owned by Karen Burrard and run

2096
01:41:01,330 --> 01:40:55,239
also by her partner Alejandro Rojas yes

2097
01:41:04,839 --> 01:41:01,340
yes be there working it around

2098
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:04,849
yeah I never miss that's it it'll be my

2099
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:08,690
first one Rose says that you yes ma'am

2100
01:41:13,330 --> 01:41:10,400
oh great and Mary Ann will you be

2101
01:41:20,049 --> 01:41:13,340
attending that oh yes I'll be helping

2102
01:41:24,819 --> 01:41:20,059
out you might just be working with

2103
01:41:27,250 --> 01:41:24,829
cheez-it I'm sorry go ahead Jim baby

2104
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:27,260
MUFON is going to have a we will have a

2105
01:41:33,220 --> 01:41:31,280
table there in the vendors area yes

2106
01:41:35,890 --> 01:41:33,230
everybody please go see Phoenix Phoenix

2107
01:41:37,419 --> 01:41:35,900
move fun at UFO Congress they will have

2108
01:41:39,819 --> 01:41:37,429
a stand there and in my understanding is

2109
01:41:41,859 --> 01:41:39,829
chase actually volunteered to help out

2110
01:41:44,169 --> 01:41:41,869
with the tickets so you might be sitting

2111
01:41:48,250 --> 01:41:44,179
right next to her Mary Ann at this

2112
01:41:52,959 --> 01:41:48,260
conference yeah we did that last year

2113
01:41:55,330 --> 01:41:52,969
and she is an amazing wonderful she's

2114
01:41:59,169 --> 01:41:55,340
got such high energy I love I love being

2115
01:42:02,709 --> 01:41:59,179
with her it's gonna be a very exciting

2116
01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:02,719
wonderful converse yes it is and Chris

2117
01:42:07,839 --> 01:42:05,260
will you be attending that yes I will be

2118
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:07,849
great well I will see all of you there

2119
01:42:11,529 --> 01:42:09,650
International UFO Congress is on

2120
01:42:15,310 --> 01:42:11,539
September 4th through September 8th at

2121
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:15,320
the Sheraton Phoenix downtown thank you

2122
01:42:18,609 --> 01:42:17,090
so much for having joined us today we

2123
01:42:19,690 --> 01:42:18,619
thoroughly enjoyed having had the

2124
01:42:22,510 --> 01:42:19,700
privilege and honor of